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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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it doesn't involve aliens at all it was

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completely silent it comes right over

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our head it's so a classic flying-saucer

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really standing in the clearing he

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turned over to my father and held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Willis your host and we have a great

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show for you this evening we have Sam

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moranto and he's going to be talking

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about I don't know if you've seen in the

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news but there's been Mothman sightings

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in Chicago and a lot going on there

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started about 6 years ago and then

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really coming on pretty hard starting

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last April

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so he'll be on and before that we have

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Alejandro Rojas now he's in a special

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place right now and we're gonna be

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talking to him so he'll be coming up in

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just a minute now I have an announcement

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that's gonna make the people on YouTube

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really happy I think but it's it's just

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that I decided that I'm going to keep

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streaming on YouTube instead of going

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over to kgr a radio basically because I

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be cutting down the show too much for

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subscribers in other words the two-hour

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show after commercials added it out

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would only be

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basically an hour and 40 minutes and I

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can't do that to all my subscribers so

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I'd rather just leave it at the two-hour

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show and keep going on YouTube I had

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been a little disappointed by the live

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audience volume you know the number of

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people but hopefully that will build up

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over time and I do like doing the live

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YouTube so so that's that and I'm gonna

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bring in a la

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droll Rojas how are you welcome to the

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show Alejandro hola and last yes Aloha

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Aloha was last week you were in Hawaii

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and forgot to tell me you in Hawaii I

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guess I swear I told you and the

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listeners can can tell us whether or not

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yeah I had told you but my listeners

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knew oh really

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okay I will give 50 bucks to the

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listener that can contact me and prove

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that you said it on my show I've just

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teasin yet so yeah I know I felt so bad

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when I when you're like uh you know it's

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a first show and I'm like well I'm in

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Hawaii so last week I was in Hawaii it

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was a lot of fun nothing at all to do

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with UFOs only fun and because you know

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for people like us have been doing it

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for so long it's not necessarily fun and

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I know your guests Sam he's been doing

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this for decades and worked so hard at

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it so it's a lot of hard work when

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you're doing some real stuff but but

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apologized and I almost missed today

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show too because I am at Space Camp yeah

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I literally just got back so this was

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the cool shirt that I took with my NASA

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Star Trek search shirt but of course

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this cool jumpsuit is something that

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they gave us so this is for once again

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the show Mars with National Geographic

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but it's also my buddies at National

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Geographic for another show that they've

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got coming out called one strange Rock

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and they'll be more coming out about

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that soon I'm not even sure how much I

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can talk about this but this is a really

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cool space show essentially it's a

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documentary but it's from the

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perspective of the astronauts and they

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have some really incredible insight we

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guys today and I've interviewed a couple

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my interview with

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like Massimo the astronaut he talked a

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lot about and I wrote something on the

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Huffington Post about his personal

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experience kind of the emotional

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experience they have when they're in

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space and that's what's really cool to

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hear from them because they're usually

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focused on their tasks surprisingly

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they'll tell you that I didn't even

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notice much at first I you we've got a

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job to do and we do our job they're very

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dedicated to their job and like lots of

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civil servants they they are cognizant

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of that this is taxpayer money and

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they've got a job to do but there are

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times when they're done screwing that

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bolt in or something and then they look

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at the planet or they realize holy crap

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I am just floating here above the planet

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and they have these extraordinary

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moments of you know what it's like to be

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what they're trying to kind of get

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something like that yeah that's a big

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gap yeah I'll be writing about it more

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and adding more and then Mars of course

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really cool TV show where Taft

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documentary half drama that's why I was

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in Hungary on the set for second season

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of that show and they said this is with

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them so with National Geographic so

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they're doing some really cool stuff and

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they brought us to Space Camp and it's

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been a lot of fun so today I sent it to

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a video and some pictures but I did the

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and I just ran that slide show oh okay

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right into multi-axis trainer which is

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the thing you get on and it rotates and

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was I was like nah I'm not gonna do that

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I'm past my rollercoaster days and

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everything and you know sometimes my

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stomach can't handle all of those things

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but surprisingly they said no and

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actually because your stomach is the

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center of gravity it doesn't mess with

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your stomach and as long as you don't

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close your eyes and then reopen them

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your brain because you're spinning I

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guess you're the the balance in your

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brain which causes motion sickness and

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stuff like

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that doesn't really have time to

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disorient the way it does in a boat or

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something like that because it's not

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repetitive and so they said you won't

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get dizzy and for the most part they

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were right it wasn't that it was a it

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was strange and there were some g-forces

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on your head but it wasn't as bad as it

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looks and I probably shouldn't tell

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people that I should tell him it oh it

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was sooo crazy in our because then it

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sounds more more like I was a tough guy

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or something but it isn't as bad as as

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you think and I was really kind of just

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a total wuss and are you sure this isn't

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gonna be good a good stick so but it was

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a lot of fun and let's see what else did

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we do we did other training things

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astronauts do we did a simulated mission

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and I got to be Capcom which is fun like

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you know the guy who communicates with a

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capsule so I got to use my capcom voice

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or you know like discovery this is

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Capcom you know you could you turn on

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your left truster and you know the kind

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of cadence that they do when you see it

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on the TV or something like that so that

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was a lot bad audio though too part of

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it you know from what sadness 70s to the

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the audio wasn't you know when they may

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be telephone voice almost but it was fun

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hey that added to the charm yeah I bet

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you were great at it hey I've heard

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something they're doing some studies on

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the human brain in space have you heard

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anything about that I have had actually

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heard nothing about that yeah because

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it's you're interesting it changes

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without gravity mm-hmm well you know

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that with this Mars show there's been a

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lot I wrote a story not too long ago

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about radiation shielding and that was

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something Steve Patrick who wrote a book

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that inspired the Mars program his room

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is literally across the hallway from me

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and I did I wrote a lot about he about

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some of the work he did and he's the one

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who tipped me off on they'll probably

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use water and so I wrote an article

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about this like waste water and recycle

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water it's really interesting and this

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is a story I've been following for years

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since I got to go to Johnson and talk

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with the Orion guys about it but so I've

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got an article on that I think that's

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interesting

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there's a lot of other things that are

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really interesting for instance you know

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these Elon as soon as just a couple

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weeks ago Elon Musk of SpaceX said

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they're gonna get people up there like

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within the next couple of years but

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there are some major issues that still

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have to be worked out the effect of on

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the body of long-term being a space is

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still not something that is completely

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figured out I mean we had a guy an

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astronaut

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just recently spend a year up there but

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the problem is is you lose like a muscle

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mass but you also lose bone mass because

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you don't have to have that the bones

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don't have to work as hard and that is

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not something that can come back you can

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you know work out and get the muscle

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mass back but the bone structure will

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never be the same and so that's one of

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the issues that we really don't have

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figured out so even though technically

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we may be ready to do that very soon and

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some will argue that technically if we

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had to political and motivation that we

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could have done it years ago but that

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there's it's more complicated than that

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you know that it might not be something

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where we're gonna have people on Mars

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within the next few years like Elon

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talks about but there is a big race and

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we will definitely most likely have at

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least people orbiting Mars or being able

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to go and come back within the next few

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years so it's a lot closer than people

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there's many more issues than people

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realize that's what this show Mars is

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highlighting and then there's the other

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thing which is China and Russia are

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saying we're gonna go to the moon in the

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next couple of years yeah and this is

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kind of exciting because this has to do

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with Robert Bigelow who of course is a

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big UFO buff and he is actually lobbying

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to have his program the bean program his

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inflatable device to be a moon base and

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what's exciting about that is that the

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closer the more the closer to Chinese

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and the Russians get the more likely it

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is then we'll be in another space

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race where I mean can you imagine the

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Russians and the Chinese having a base

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on the moon and the u.s. being cool with

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that yeah I don't think so I think that

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there'll be a lot of inspiration than to

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have our own base there and the person

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who's closest at least as far as we know

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publicly is Bigelow he's the one he's

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this is exactly what he's working with

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NASA on so if the political climate

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changes um he could be tasked with okay

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Bigelow let's do this and in fact in

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this Space Center

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I know if showing pictures because we've

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seen big pictures of with Bigelow with

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us before but in the Space Center ours

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just out and I got some pictures of it

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I'll post on facebook soon but you've

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seen it before but it's Bigelow's

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mock-up of his base his moon base that

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he is working on and that he's working

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with NASA on so it's very possible that

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one of our UFO buff buddies it's gonna

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be the first guy to have a base on a

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planet others a nurse so that's pretty

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exciting that is yeah that is I remember

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I talked to Alan bean he was the fourth

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man on the moon so many years ago and I

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said I couldn't imagine being you know

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standing on the moon and looking up at

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Earth and like just panicking like how

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am I gonna get back and he said nope you

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just take the test that's in front of

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you and he said you have to do it like

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that he said I had to break it up so ok

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next time get doing this or next I'm

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doing that but he didn't want to look at

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it like he had to get back he didn't

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want to think about it you know what and

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going through that that thing that we

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did this market a simulation of a

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mission it makes a lot of a sense

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because they are busy I mean they've got

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to hit this button and hit that button

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they've got to roll this procedure in

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this procedure and it's this back and

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forth which is great because it doesn't

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take them long to get up into space

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yep then once they're there you know the

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dangerous part is when you're coming

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back into orbit or when you're going out

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and that part goes so quickly and you're

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so busy doing different things that it's

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not that aspect your mind is busy you're

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not thinking of that part the aspect

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that where I would have problems with

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which I don't think I can do anymore

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which is kind of a sad revelry

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for me and this happened at Epcot Center

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where they have this simulator where

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they simulate the g-forces and it was

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like oh my gosh she was like 30 seconds

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and now after five seconds I was like I

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was dancing and after I got off of that

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I was like oh my I can't be an astronaut

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I can't do this so that that physical

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part of it is is really still difficult

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so just imagine going through those

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g-forces and then having to accomplish

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these extremely important tasks you know

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pushing these buttons and doing

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everything at the right sequence and

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timing so yeah they're just I personally

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have a huge respect for NASA and for

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astronauts and I think they're

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incredible people and what they do is

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great so yes this is all really exciting

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now they're gonna have to figure out

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some type of like centrifuge or

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something to to simulate gravity if we

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are going to spend a lot of time in

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space or you're right people are going

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to have bone loss they'll never be able

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to come back to the planet again if some

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of them ours and they lose their bone

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loss and you know muscle like you said

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can be rebuilt but now they're gonna

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have to stay put on Mars and look like

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aliens eventually well that's the other

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thing and that's what there's a really

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interesting show on sci-fi right now and

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I can't remember what it's called right

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now but essentially it's the future

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where there's a colony on Mars there's

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earth and then there's miners at mine

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asteroids which is a very plausible

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future for us but that these different

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groups of people have formed their own

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governments and the challenges that that

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creates which is a very real issue one

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of the issues they're tackling on Mars

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it's a political climate and the way it

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is right now is of course it you know

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the the struggle is between spending

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resources on space and then helping

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private space do what they want to do

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out there but what is going to become a

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bigger issue which which I think people

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have and especially politicians have not

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really dealt with or or thought of what

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you're going to have to is once we have

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a group of people on Mars what is their

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governor

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who governs governs them because

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technically they're sovereign if it's

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SpaceX for example that gets them out

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there

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SpaceX can do whatever the heck they

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want out there when it comes to

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governance and so and we really don't

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have any how would we you know

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administer or how would we enforce any

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laws out there so that's gonna be a big

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deal and if they decide to self-govern

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they'll be able to do that and then that

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creates of course political issues

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between you know us and them and people

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depending on what they choose to do out

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there so or if we have a problem with

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with any of the laws that they Institute

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or the ways that they enforce their laws

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if they decide to space people which in

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sci-fi movies is where you know if

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you're bad corporal punishment is is

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shooting you out into space you gets

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ratings what will happen so I think you

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know there's just a lot of really really

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interesting issues but the issues you

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know that that's what this television

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show on Syfy goes over which is really

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interesting an aspect in the future

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where all these different governing

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bodies are kind of arguing and fighting

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with each other which makes sense

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because every governing body argues and

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fights with each other yeah I would say

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that if someone's young and thinking

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about going to law school they should

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maybe consider space law yeah I'm all

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but it exists it's real in fact Bigelow

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has made some major inroads in that area

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because one of his things early on just

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a few years ago he made a lot of news

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and it was a big deal because he was

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saying look if I'm gonna build let's say

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a hotel on the moon where can I put it

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you guys haven't figured out the laws

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around who owns what on the moon and if

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I plant my hotel somewhere and then all

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of a sudden the land is it's given away

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or the land doesn't technically belong

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to me somehow then I can't move it so we

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have to figure this out before you know

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those of us private companies establish

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these different bases and so is the

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first time where law had to seriously

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tackle kind of this issue and it's

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something that they've got to work on

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but

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seems like really it's gonna kind of be

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like a back in the cowboy days it's

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gonna really like if you're there first

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yep yeah the Wild West if you're there

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first who's gonna kick you out there's

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nobody to kick you out and that's what

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the problem is is if if China and Russia

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get there I mean they could claim the

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moon they could claim the moon amongst

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each other and certainly the United

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States isn't gonna like that

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so there's exciting things going on you

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know when it comes to space I think we

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should really put up some a few

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individuals from North Korea and just

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said okay this is all yours you take it

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from here give North Korea at the moon

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yeah why not the Moon or Mars and just

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say okay you deal with like the old

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honeymooners I'll send you to the moon

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type of thing

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Ellis maybe maybe there's a that's

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thinking out of the box I guess so hey

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alejandro well enjoy the rest of it how

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long you there for I am here until

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Friday Friday well have a great time huh

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thank you very much I'm glad I was able

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to be on the show at wonderful to see

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Sam spaced on the video here it's always

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good to see Sam so you have a great show

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all right okay hey thanks a lot see you

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Sam I'm sorry it just took me a minute

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to get you up here and scream screen we

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have our guest tonight and at San

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moranto he actually helped out with the

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show way back

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it's always fun having him on and Sam I

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hope you remembered to unmute your mic

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and welcome to the show well thank you

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for having me back on it has been a

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while and I haven't talked to you I

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haven't seen you my gosh it's been ages

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oh my gosh we had a lonely Matt it was

481
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great yeah out in Arizona a few years

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ago yeah it was a blast so I was really

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you know I I had been getting a lot of

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email about this the Mothman sightings

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and you know MUFON got involved as far

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as it being reported and and then I

487
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found out you were doing the research on

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it which I think it's pretty exciting

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now I'd mentioned on this row this is on

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the show once a month or so I'm gonna do

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a show that's off the topic of UFOs and

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that is the show tonight

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and because I could no longer do the

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Monday night show by the way if you are

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listening and you missed the last few

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shows the Monday night is just too much

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for me

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so anyway welcome to the show and before

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we get going here can you for the person

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that's hearing you for the first time a

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little quick nutshell background if you

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would well I've been doing research in

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UFO research for I don't know 30 years

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20 30 years 30 20 years 20 years close I

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would say with MUFON but I was I was

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doing research beforehand I'm a

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consultant for Hollywood any sort of

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interested parties looking to do some

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programs give me a call if you're

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interested and the other thing is I've

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done very interesting cases I was lucky

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enough to work with the O'Hair case back

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in 2006 and that was a landmark case as

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far as aviation we had so many witnesses

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the other one that really doesn't hasn't

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received that much publicity but

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hopefully at some point it will

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is the Tinley Park case which was a mass

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sighting I've worked on a few other

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cases that were very good too

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they were rockford mass sighting case is

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one that's probably little heard of at

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all and then I've worked on a few other

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interesting cases Frederick's Wisconsin

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case long ongoing third C III type

526
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encounters and unusual phenomenon and

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unusual phenomena is how I really got

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into this parapsychology paranormal

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preternatural whatever you want to call

530
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this crazy stuff and even cryptids I

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have an interest in all this but I

532
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haven't really gotten into working with

533
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with the cryptid aspect of all this

534
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strangeness until recently yeah yep and

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so were you actually contacted now wait

536
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a minute let's talk a little bit about

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Chicago first because there is a little

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bit of confusion but wasn't there a

539
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:36,049
sighting first in 2011 yes 2011 is

540
00:22:40,299 --> 00:22:38,200
really the what I call the impetus and

541
00:22:43,149 --> 00:22:40,309
that's where it all began

542
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,159
that's where it has its rut as far as

543
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,159
having some sort of where people really

544
00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:47,840
jumped on board that there must be

545
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:51,830
something there and the first item that

546
00:22:57,549 --> 00:22:54,610
showed up in fact lawn Strickler has

547
00:23:00,850 --> 00:22:57,559
monsters phantoms and month ours

548
00:23:03,639 --> 00:23:00,860
monsters it's a sight and he's been very

549
00:23:06,639 --> 00:23:03,649
good at posting the raw data up there

550
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:06,649
and same thing with manual neverett and

551
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:11,570
he has a site called a UFO Clearing

552
00:23:16,419 --> 00:23:13,450
House and they put up the raw data to

553
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:16,429
MUFON receives the data put some stuff

554
00:23:23,769 --> 00:23:20,690
up you know and back in 2011 we had this

555
00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:23,779
photo come in and this photo by the way

556
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:26,990
was was not of something the individual

557
00:23:31,419 --> 00:23:29,450
seen what had happened he was going down

558
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:31,429
63rd and I think you know the area

559
00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:34,610
possibly 63rd and Pulaski in Chicago on

560
00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:37,510
the south side and there's this large

561
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,240
Native American Indian statue up there

562
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,760
and it and it isn't some sort of

563
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:45,440
tribute to anything it was a tobacco

564
00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:48,140
shop years ago in fact I knew guys in

565
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:49,700
the neighborhood days to shoot arrows in

566
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:51,890
the back of the darn thing and they have

567
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,710
too many bears and they got crazy but

568
00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:56,960
this this thing was up there and it has

569
00:24:02,290 --> 00:23:59,450
its left thumb this position in such a

570
00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:02,300
way and this whole scenario is so

571
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:05,150
apropos because it has to do it

572
00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:07,280
perspective in the right place and

573
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:09,950
seeing the wrong thing so imagine a

574
00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:12,770
thumb position in the midriff and it's

575
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:15,020
it's at the right angle it could appear

576
00:24:19,180 --> 00:24:16,910
at something other as something other

577
00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:19,190
than a thumb and this is what the

578
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:21,260
gentleman recalled seeing and he wanted

579
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:23,240
to take a picture of it he gets out of

580
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,050
his car he takes a picture of it and law

581
00:24:31,330 --> 00:24:29,120
you know here he gets home and lo and

582
00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:31,340
behold what's in this picture something

583
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:34,670
truly unusual well he submitted it as

584
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:38,960
being a UFO and he sent it to MUFON so I

585
00:24:43,150 --> 00:24:40,970
have the raw data you know the metadata

586
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:43,160
and I've done the enhancements but

587
00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:45,410
initially right off the bat I thought it

588
00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:47,240
well it's just some sort of bat or

589
00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:50,270
something maybe even a butterfly I

590
00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:53,270
didn't think it was anything unusual but

591
00:24:58,120 --> 00:24:54,920
all of a sudden it took on its own life

592
00:25:01,660 --> 00:24:58,130
as being some sort of cryptid you know

593
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,670
incarnate in this photo and as you may

594
00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:03,440
recall there were two other sightings

595
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:06,280
soon thereafter they made that report

596
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,530
October the 13th and I believe was on

597
00:25:17,290 --> 00:25:12,080
that same day UFO Clearing House

598
00:25:22,150 --> 00:25:17,300
received a report from two girls who had

599
00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:22,160
seen these eyeballs in the in there in

600
00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:25,070
the window of their dorm room or

601
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:28,430
apartment and gotten all shook up about

602
00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:31,250
it so that came in and reinforced this

603
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:33,470
photo but I think I sent you some

604
00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:35,600
information on the photo didn't ya yeah

605
00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:37,160
and I'm gonna put that photo up on

606
00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:39,830
YouTube so the person can just hang in

607
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:44,350
there and that'll come right up but

608
00:25:55,090 --> 00:25:50,810
let's talk about how the sightings began

609
00:25:57,550 --> 00:25:55,100
all the way back in of people basically

610
00:26:02,380 --> 00:25:57,560
saying the same thing that

611
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,390
we're seeing in Point Pleasant yes what

612
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:05,360
happens is you know we had this 250 year

613
00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:07,910
anniversary going on so of course

614
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:11,030
there's tons of information all over the

615
00:26:14,530 --> 00:26:11,690
Internet

616
00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:14,540
the massive party they had out as big

617
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:17,180
festival 50 year anniversary so it's in

618
00:26:23,260 --> 00:26:19,570
the mindset of so many people

619
00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:23,270
automatically to reinforce that even

620
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:26,800
more so there was a new documentary out

621
00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:31,760
by small town monsters and they started

622
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:35,150
a Kickstarter I think was back in

623
00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:37,490
January and it filled up very well they

624
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:39,680
have enough money to go about doing

625
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,290
their documentary they did it and was

626
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:45,440
released I believe in June and done very

627
00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:46,250
well

628
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:49,640
all in time for the for this big

629
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:52,730
ceremony the 50-year anniversary but it

630
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,730
also I think with all this news and it

631
00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:58,400
being so prominent on the internet and

632
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:00,530
this is the problem today what we're

633
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:03,650
seeing is very unusual activity of

634
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:06,110
people being you know it's either some

635
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:09,320
type of trolling exercise that we're

636
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:12,290
getting so many reports because as you

637
00:27:17,530 --> 00:27:14,930
will soon discover and you may have been

638
00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:17,540
reading these reports they're all

639
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:19,670
there's many of them they're just being

640
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:22,190
submitted fictitious it's hard to tell

641
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:24,290
when you have something genuine or just

642
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:28,310
a creative narrative and this and this I

643
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:31,250
think maybe our first scenario of what

644
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:34,490
may in the end turn out to be a cyber

645
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:36,830
flap now if there's anything else

646
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:39,410
genuine in there this is taken as

647
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:43,450
erroneous off seeing so much craziness

648
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:46,280
that you know if there is something

649
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:48,590
genuine it's just making it that much

650
00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:51,010
harder for us researchers to find

651
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:53,480
something genuine and that's what we

652
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:56,720
really want to get anyways what some of

653
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:00,080
the reports you know we're saying how

654
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:02,750
this thing just seemed to like leap up

655
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:06,470
without even flapping its wings yes yeah

656
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,930
that is in that and then well also what

657
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,200
they said in Virginia

658
00:28:14,539 --> 00:28:12,659
yes I mean the correlations are there

659
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,549
but Charles II have your your narrative

660
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,440
lay it out you have it your script in

661
00:28:21,259 --> 00:28:19,440
place when you all we already have your

662
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:21,269
script in place all you do is read it

663
00:28:25,609 --> 00:28:23,970
and reincorporate it in fact what

664
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:25,619
happens in these reports when you read

665
00:28:30,649 --> 00:28:27,779
the reports they're hitting all those

666
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:30,659
little buttons each and every one of

667
00:28:34,999 --> 00:28:32,609
them and they're placing them at the

668
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:35,009
right point to hit you emotionally with

669
00:28:41,749 --> 00:28:38,460
that those little nuances that hit it

670
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:41,759
you know bam bam yes it leaped in the

671
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:44,730
air it did this it had the red eyes but

672
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:46,470
the problem is and the reports that we

673
00:28:54,889 --> 00:28:49,830
received you know our very first report

674
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:54,899
in 2000 in 2017 you know is pills the

675
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:58,919
Pilsner just a Pilsen district and here

676
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,159
these guys are out at this huge this is

677
00:29:08,239 --> 00:29:05,460
a very big international vegetable

678
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:08,249
market and it's a big location security

679
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:10,289
guards it's very it's a very beautiful

680
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,539
location it's not some sleazy joint and

681
00:29:17,419 --> 00:29:14,700
here they're seeing they're saying

682
00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:17,429
they're seeing this this six foot tall

683
00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:20,070
plus thing up there that looks like a

684
00:29:25,399 --> 00:29:23,549
massive owl and they're out there and

685
00:29:27,739 --> 00:29:25,409
they're throwing rocks at it and it and

686
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,749
it scares them it takes off but here the

687
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:29,580
funny thing is it was raining out you

688
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:31,739
don't have that in the report the other

689
00:29:37,369 --> 00:29:35,039
thing is another gentleman went there to

690
00:29:39,049 --> 00:29:37,379
investigate it and he says when he

691
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:39,059
talked to the security guard he had no

692
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:40,980
idea what he's even talking about there

693
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:42,840
were people out there at the same time

694
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,700
you got there two o'clock in the morning

695
00:29:48,619 --> 00:29:46,399
when this event supposedly took place

696
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:48,629
and they says we don't know what you're

697
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,200
talking about

698
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:51,779
nobody heard about this again another

699
00:29:58,099 --> 00:29:54,840
person Ellison

700
00:30:00,619 --> 00:29:58,109
George Orlan went out there and actually

701
00:30:03,139 --> 00:30:00,629
has a she went to each and every one of

702
00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:03,149
these locations as in the footsteps of

703
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:06,659
the witnesses and so you could see the

704
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:08,279
area

705
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:12,090
it just seemed extremely odd that nobody

706
00:30:17,779 --> 00:30:14,940
else knew what was going on and that was

707
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:17,789
the first one now the second one was at

708
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:20,609
humble Park elbow by the way that was

709
00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:23,129
the 16th they have it wrong on the

710
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:23,980
internet it's

711
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:26,140
sixteenth which was Easter Sunday two

712
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:28,570
o'clock in the morning ten o'clock that

713
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:31,809
night gentleman's outside with his kids

714
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:35,350
some some friends of his the if you read

715
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:37,960
the report you can see it sounds very

716
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:40,809
disingenuous but they're saying that

717
00:30:48,419 --> 00:30:43,510
they see this large owl Allah Jews on

718
00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:48,429
okay which turns could be a a which type

719
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:51,309
thing an old woman and it turns into an

720
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:53,650
owl and again this thing shoots up in

721
00:30:58,919 --> 00:30:56,890
the air and then the third one we get

722
00:31:02,669 --> 00:30:58,929
which comes and I think I'm a twentieth

723
00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:02,679
or 24th and that was supposedly taking

724
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:05,500
place in the fifteenth there's a woman

725
00:31:12,659 --> 00:31:09,929
who's on a boat off of Montrose Harbor

726
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:12,669
she's out there with her husband mind

727
00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:16,150
you and the strange thing about it is

728
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:18,760
they're out there and it's the 15th of

729
00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:21,460
April the water temperature is 44

730
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:24,040
degrees though it was warm that day and

731
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:26,200
this is what it says we're out there on

732
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:28,780
a boat two miles out at ten o'clock at

733
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:29,590
night

734
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:32,110
there were three to five plus seven inch

735
00:31:39,539 --> 00:31:34,900
seven foot waves we had a small craft

736
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:39,549
warning 34 mile hour gale winds going on

737
00:31:46,289 --> 00:31:43,210
and off they said they see these these

738
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:46,299
large bat type things flying around the

739
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:46,900
boat

740
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:48,790
well you I know you've done enough

741
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:51,760
boating when you're on a boat at night

742
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:54,220
you're out there partying supposedly and

743
00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:56,860
you have this rough water you're going

744
00:32:00,960 --> 00:31:58,750
to have your cabin lights on how good is

745
00:32:02,539 --> 00:32:00,970
your vision gonna be beyond looking into

746
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,549
the dark it's gonna be very difficult

747
00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:05,520
now if by chance you have a bunch of

748
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:08,860
opportunistic seagulls out there which

749
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:12,610
could go out to miles they look big and

750
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:13,900
they could scare the heck out of you

751
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,790
because it's shadowing if they're

752
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:17,679
sheriff yes who the shadow looks bigger

753
00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:21,070
yeah and and that would scare it scare

754
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:21,280
you

755
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:24,900
then she states of swimming it's a she

756
00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:28,270
that that they were able to see the

757
00:32:35,220 --> 00:32:31,540
reflection the moonlight in the eyes of

758
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:35,230
the birds or the bats he's massive bats

759
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:37,810
which were bigger than her husband

760
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:40,060
obviously he was in the sky so they got

761
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,470
across comparison you know if

762
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:43,260
six-foot-something

763
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,090
this this is what gets me the moon

764
00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:48,640
wasn't up till an hour and 43 minutes

765
00:33:01,530 --> 00:32:57,580
after that time to these reports they

766
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,540
get that way so Sam are you uh we had a

767
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:03,550
little Skype issue just a second ago are

768
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:06,550
you basically getting at that you think

769
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:10,270
this is all a hoax is this what's not at

770
00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:13,480
all okay no so let's talk about the ones

771
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:16,300
that aren't right now the ones that seem

772
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,290
more credible the one that I spoke one

773
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:22,240
individual that I spoke to and I didn't

774
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:25,180
speak to too many people other other

775
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:27,970
investigators apparently did or claimed

776
00:33:34,290 --> 00:33:32,530
they did as many as 20 I spoke to one

777
00:33:40,380 --> 00:33:34,300
individual came forward and actually

778
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,390
went on the radio he was sitting at that

779
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:42,880
time it was he was a truck driver and he

780
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,430
was picking up an order of order order

781
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:47,880
to move from a location and it was on

782
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:52,300
near Cicero and 290 and he's backing up

783
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:54,490
he's sitting there and he sees what

784
00:34:01,560 --> 00:33:58,630
appears to be a an object that was black

785
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:01,570
and it was like an elongated football

786
00:34:05,850 --> 00:34:04,450
with he only seen one wing he was being

787
00:34:07,890 --> 00:34:05,860
very honest he didn't see the other wing

788
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:07,900
and assumed there was another one and

789
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:12,880
that had a reverse scalloped edge and as

790
00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:15,670
he sees that moving along and it's

791
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:19,180
moving by the way into the wind so it's

792
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:22,030
not servant to the wind and it's going

793
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:25,330
up into the clouds so this thing's

794
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:27,070
moving along or else it's tethered to

795
00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:28,840
something he can't see it and this

796
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:30,580
thing's moving along and it's going up

797
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:33,220
well it startled him so bad he called up

798
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:35,950
his wife his brother and he was really

799
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:38,740
shaken up by it and he says it did

800
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:42,780
remind him of the photograph back in

801
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:45,310
2011 and you couldn't believe how many

802
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,200
people revert back to that photograph in

803
00:34:53,610 --> 00:34:51,520
2011 again

804
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:53,620
because you know it was on the Internet

805
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:55,419
they said it was the swing thing and

806
00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:58,240
they refer to it so of course this is an

807
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:01,380
in the mindset of so many people and

808
00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:04,930
this is what he's seen he says it looked

809
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:07,360
like the Batmobile very much like that

810
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:10,780
item that fit that picture from 63rd and

811
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:13,300
Pulaski right and I just pulled that up

812
00:35:20,070 --> 00:35:17,680
again so what are the skeptics saying

813
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:20,080
about that particular image do they

814
00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:21,880
think it looks like one of those flight

815
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:23,470
suits or are they saying things like

816
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:25,180
that or are they saying it could be a

817
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:26,950
kite or what what are you here

818
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:29,110
well I'm neither a skeptic I'm an

819
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:30,730
investigative researcher so I don't

820
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:32,170
really give a hoot what it is I just

821
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:34,470
want to know what it is and in

822
00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:36,670
evaluating that image and I don't think

823
00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:38,920
anybody's even come close to the amount

824
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:41,470
of time that I've spent on it analyzing

825
00:35:47,610 --> 00:35:43,900
it right off the bat I I thought it was

826
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:47,620
either a a bat which it's not or some

827
00:35:52,590 --> 00:35:50,440
sort of insect which it's not and a few

828
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,600
people it right off the get-go from the

829
00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:54,160
get-go said you know it looks like one

830
00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:56,620
of those bat kites and sure enough that

831
00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:01,660
is what it is it is a bat kite known as

832
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:06,700
the Fox bag and it's about 48 inches

833
00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:10,150
long or wide excuse me and the

834
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,760
manufacturer is gala and they put them

835
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:14,800
out back I think I stopped making them

836
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,490
late 80s maybe 86 87 and they're

837
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:20,320
collectible people they're made out of

838
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:22,510
plastic not that like paper when we were

839
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,150
kids these are plastic and they're

840
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:28,420
pretty durable and in fact I found a

841
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:31,570
video this year of somebody flying two

842
00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:33,130
different types of these Old Gaelic

843
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:36,040
kites and they're out there they use

844
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:39,220
them they fly them so that's what it is

845
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:42,790
it is a gala kite and it's pretty cool

846
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:45,610
I'm just laughing because so many people

847
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:48,400
were you know posting this and I also

848
00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:51,850
put it up on the YouTube like Mothman

849
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:54,820
with the question mark so I'm glad I put

850
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,410
the question mark there and so there are

851
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,800
no real pictures though nobody I am I

852
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:04,960
listened to an interview of someone

853
00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:06,730
not an interview but a transcript of an

854
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:09,670
interview I guess it was and she said

855
00:37:13,859 --> 00:37:11,410
that you know taking a picture never

856
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:13,869
even crossed her mind when she had an

857
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,330
encounter this was not in Chicago this

858
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:18,400
is one of the ones that were in you know

859
00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:22,690
West Virginia oh yeah I mean first of

860
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:24,070
all I'm guilty too

861
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:26,710
I've had UFO sightings and I had you

862
00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:28,839
know the opportunity to take a photo but

863
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:31,480
you're staring and you don't even want

864
00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:35,200
to blink right but that does happen in

865
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:36,760
this instance we do have another

866
00:37:44,849 --> 00:37:41,290
photograph that is claimed to be a one

867
00:37:48,089 --> 00:37:44,859
of these Mothman photos and it was from

868
00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:48,099
Melrose Park and that was August the 4th

869
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:50,440
and the funny thing is I told Julie we

870
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,670
are now going to give you getting

871
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:53,440
another photo and she goes why is that

872
00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:57,640
because there was talk on the social

873
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:00,700
media that what's going to happen when a

874
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:04,290
photo shows up and some unscrupulous

875
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:06,940
researcher or group gets their hand on

876
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,160
it are they going to try to make money

877
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:10,720
off of it or what are they going to do

878
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:12,790
and I go it's going to happen we're

879
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:15,369
gonna get it sure enough August the 4th

880
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:18,430
there's a photograph that comes in with

881
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,670
a narrative and a report to move fun but

882
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:23,200
this time it didn't just come in to

883
00:38:28,829 --> 00:38:26,650
MUFON it went to two different groups it

884
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:28,839
went to UFO Clearing House and it went

885
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:33,040
to move fun now right after that was I

886
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:36,310
believe the very next day another report

887
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:39,250
comes in stating that an individual only

888
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,770
about a mile or so away from where this

889
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:44,560
this sighting and photograph took place

890
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:48,119
a soccer mom and her three daughters

891
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:51,790
seen this bat this massive bat-like

892
00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:55,599
creature this human type creature flying

893
00:39:03,900 --> 00:38:59,070
over their heads and startled them and

894
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:03,910
the funny thing is both those reports in

895
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:06,310
mind you of all the reports that were

896
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:09,670
received none of them had contact

897
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:11,470
information except for one

898
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,750
everything was fictitious contact

899
00:39:18,279 --> 00:39:15,440
information

900
00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:18,289
we have never ever had a series of

901
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:20,270
anything that could be resembling a flap

902
00:39:27,609 --> 00:39:23,720
or any sort of continuity as far as

903
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:27,619
whatever subject matter never ever have

904
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,930
we had something like that now of course

905
00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:32,000
they requested to remain anonymous and

906
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:33,020
anonymity

907
00:39:40,690 --> 00:39:37,730
honest-to-goodness witness after you

908
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:40,700
what know that they are a witness em

909
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:42,650
they are who they are you can't give it

910
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,410
to a word we have a bunch of names there

911
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:47,599
we they don't match up to anything by

912
00:39:54,819 --> 00:39:51,230
the way so here we have fictitious data

913
00:39:59,140 --> 00:39:54,829
we have no contact information and we

914
00:40:01,120 --> 00:39:59,150
have a suspect narrative I had asked

915
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,130
right away in the first three that we

916
00:40:06,849 --> 00:40:03,680
look at the IP addresses to see where

917
00:40:09,819 --> 00:40:06,859
they're coming in and on the first three

918
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:09,829
two of them came from the same source

919
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,569
the very first one at the Pilsner Pilsen

920
00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:17,180
district and then the lady on the boat

921
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:21,319
came from the same ip address on the

922
00:40:28,809 --> 00:40:25,490
last four it just so happened three of

923
00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:28,819
them came from the same ip address so we

924
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:31,640
have suspect five of them one being

925
00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:35,690
disingenuous the other one was a guy

926
00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:38,500
that seen a flash a light a large

927
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:41,420
explosion outside and therefore it had

928
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,130
to be Mothman he was just being

929
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:46,160
facetious and so that wasn't even put

930
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:47,690
into the equation they pulled that out

931
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:52,010
of the there's actually a map that lawn

932
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:55,130
Strickler put up on Google of I think

933
00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:57,730
it's now 55 he pulled some of them out

934
00:41:02,650 --> 00:41:00,680
so here we are we have these things

935
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:02,660
these reports coming in these

936
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:05,210
interesting narratives and they are some

937
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:07,039
it's like some creative writing class

938
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:09,230
and then they're coming from the same

939
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:12,470
you know same ip addresses and in that

940
00:41:18,279 --> 00:41:16,390
isn't suspect come on right now also

941
00:41:20,799 --> 00:41:18,289
these are I know there was some

942
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:20,809
speculation out there that this is right

943
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:22,490
or has been happening right near a

944
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:25,369
second city and there's some speculation

945
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:28,640
that it's someone either involved in

946
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:29,440
that that's

947
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,010
- you know do something really creative

948
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:36,240
have you heard anything like that I

949
00:41:41,460 --> 00:41:39,010
don't know the folks at second city I

950
00:41:44,339 --> 00:41:41,470
know some of the other people at

951
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,349
different locations as you know but I

952
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:46,660
haven't heard anything yeah I have a I

953
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:49,060
have a feeling it's it's actually a

954
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:51,250
couple different things going on some

955
00:41:58,260 --> 00:41:54,540
epic antics maybe by some adolescence

956
00:42:00,480 --> 00:41:58,270
some so-called skeptic groups that want

957
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,490
to do some creative writing and it may

958
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,910
be a trolling and maybe a trolling

959
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:04,240
enterprise

960
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:07,089
by some agency to get there green you

961
00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:10,290
know they're there they're new people

962
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:13,060
and green as they be you know out there

963
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,550
to get used to doing propaganda on the

964
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Internet it's very effective it's

965
00:42:24,420 --> 00:42:21,490
extremely effective people just want to

966
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:24,430
accept everything as factual without

967
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:32,950
even looking at the bare bone MIM event

968
00:42:39,569 --> 00:42:36,400
how could we tell how can we tell today

969
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:39,579
if you can't contact them you can't go

970
00:42:42,569 --> 00:42:40,480
out there I - I

971
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:42,579
you can't investigate or ask questions

972
00:42:49,470 --> 00:42:45,790
and we're supposed to accept it yeah so

973
00:42:52,410 --> 00:42:49,480
it sounds to me that so all this

974
00:42:55,319 --> 00:42:52,420
publicity has been just publicity for

975
00:42:59,790 --> 00:42:55,329
nothing because I've heard about the

976
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,800
Chicago Mothman now for it seems like

977
00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:03,040
all the way back since April since April

978
00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:06,940
it's been very big well I think it if

979
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:08,849
there was anything that did happen I

980
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:12,480
have no idea as far as which ones were

981
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:15,569
more so genuine than others something

982
00:43:20,849 --> 00:43:18,400
unusual being seen there's been a lot of

983
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:20,859
sightings around the you know the first

984
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:25,780
sighting in 2005 in 2017 took place at

985
00:43:32,339 --> 00:43:30,190
oz Park and you may have read that that

986
00:43:34,859 --> 00:43:32,349
report - I hope you did I don't know if

987
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,869
you did or into was an oz park where

988
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,359
supposedly again supposedly because I

989
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:39,040
didn't interview the witness and that's

990
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,290
the other problem - no these witnesses

991
00:43:45,870 --> 00:43:43,380
except for one has been

992
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:45,880
been able to come forward and to be

993
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:48,160
cross-examined by other people than than

994
00:43:55,820 --> 00:43:52,240
Gen one or two just one or two people we

995
00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:55,830
don't usually have that happen in the

996
00:44:01,290 --> 00:43:59,500
original Mothman case multiple

997
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:01,300
researchers were out there investigators

998
00:44:06,540 --> 00:44:03,730
even law enforcement and they were

999
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:06,550
talking to people people talked they had

1000
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:09,190
multiple people talking to them not just

1001
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:12,609
a individual and that that basically had

1002
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:14,830
their story and that was it over here

1003
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:17,410
that isn't the case at all there's only

1004
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:19,480
one individual it's been that's actually

1005
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:21,630
come forward and spoke to multiple

1006
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:24,490
investigators and researchers so that's

1007
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:26,530
kind of strange isn't it yeah well

1008
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:28,450
anyways back to eyes park are you

1009
00:44:34,410 --> 00:44:29,830
looking at it by any chance the eyes

1010
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,420
park report I had in front of me yes

1011
00:44:40,349 --> 00:44:37,599
mm-hmm okay so this individual at around

1012
00:44:46,140 --> 00:44:40,359
7:30 at night goes walking to eyes park

1013
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:46,150
and of L frank Baum you know wrote The

1014
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:49,089
Wizard of Oz wrote that right in that

1015
00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:53,310
area on what Street Humboldt Street

1016
00:45:01,079 --> 00:44:56,470
unbolts Street is where he lived at okay

1017
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:01,089
and eyes and if you looked at 2011 the

1018
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:04,660
very last case took place at Washington

1019
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:07,510
Park by a gentleman from Tasmania who's

1020
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:10,960
seen this large sugar glider type thing

1021
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:13,780
flying overhead and he was from Tasmania

1022
00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:16,330
which is of course Australia which is

1023
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:20,440
also known as oz oz is also known for

1024
00:45:27,450 --> 00:45:23,830
fantasy and illusion it's also a code

1025
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,460
name or whatever but anyways this person

1026
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:29,200
this woman and her dog which is a Jack

1027
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,030
Russell Terrier not a was a Karen Karen

1028
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:37,260
Terrier I believe is what Toto was and

1029
00:45:43,020 --> 00:45:39,430
she's walking along the yellow brick

1030
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:43,030
road and she's walking along and she's

1031
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:45,310
going to this one field there I believe

1032
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:47,770
was near the baseball area are baseball

1033
00:45:55,390 --> 00:45:52,950
diamonds and sees this large very large

1034
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:55,400
you know winged thing

1035
00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:56,960
sitting there standing there with these

1036
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:00,710
red eyes and it turns at first doesn't

1037
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:02,930
see her and then it sees her the dog was

1038
00:46:07,769 --> 00:46:05,480
very afraid and as you know apparently

1039
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:07,779
these Jack Russell Terriers are are

1040
00:46:14,109 --> 00:46:11,569
pretty bold and brazen dogs small I

1041
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,119
think they're being enlisted for Special

1042
00:46:19,989 --> 00:46:16,400
Ops these days and they're very

1043
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:19,999
intelligent you know and this dog was

1044
00:46:25,029 --> 00:46:23,599
afraid that day very afraid and so she

1045
00:46:27,309 --> 00:46:25,039
gets out there and this thing turns

1046
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:27,319
around looks at her and he could It was

1047
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:29,930
as if was able to see right through to

1048
00:46:34,509 --> 00:46:32,630
her soul is what it states so really

1049
00:46:36,970 --> 00:46:34,519
startled the heck out of her and this

1050
00:46:39,009 --> 00:46:36,980
thing shot straight up in the air so I

1051
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:39,019
don't know the yellow brick road may

1052
00:46:42,339 --> 00:46:40,490
have got a little more yellow at that

1053
00:46:45,579 --> 00:46:42,349
point on the way back home I don't know

1054
00:46:48,999 --> 00:46:45,589
but this is what it sounds like and this

1055
00:46:51,789 --> 00:46:49,009
is the scenario and I see a lot of

1056
00:46:54,759 --> 00:46:51,799
overtones of unusual things that are

1057
00:46:57,819 --> 00:46:54,769
like Masonic or mystical thrown in here

1058
00:47:00,970 --> 00:46:57,829
you're back at oz Park and and then we

1059
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:00,980
had a sighting we at at the owl lounge

1060
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:04,640
and the owl lounge is the the symbol is

1061
00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:08,180
a pyramid with the all-seeing eye and

1062
00:47:11,019 --> 00:47:09,230
that guy seems to be pretty

1063
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:11,029
straightforward a friend of mine

1064
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:13,730
interviewed him and he said he's seen

1065
00:47:20,499 --> 00:47:15,249
something that looked like a pterodactyl

1066
00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:20,509
flying well I think a lot of these were

1067
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,849
genuine reports of misidentifications

1068
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:24,559
people were not lying they were

1069
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:27,230
interpreting what they saw now was there

1070
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:30,529
something truly unusual being seen with

1071
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,410
the volume of guff that's out there it

1072
00:47:39,339 --> 00:47:35,359
makes it difficult I would like to think

1073
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:39,349
there is I mean we know weird exists one

1074
00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:41,210
of my first books I've ever read was of

1075
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:44,539
course the search for a living fossil so

1076
00:47:47,979 --> 00:47:46,910
cryptids do take place but it doesn't

1077
00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:47,989
mean you're gonna find one of your

1078
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:51,019
grandmother's coalbed so you know we

1079
00:47:55,779 --> 00:47:53,089
have to be logical this is a very big

1080
00:47:59,319 --> 00:47:55,789
city with a lot of witnesses a lot of

1081
00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:59,329
cameras and none of this has come

1082
00:48:04,089 --> 00:48:01,220
forward where's the rest of the evidence

1083
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:04,099
and there were sightings right on Lake

1084
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:06,890
Shore Drive supposedly at 10 o'clock at

1085
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:08,270
night where

1086
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:20,000
is the VIP yeah Sam are you there yes

1087
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:20,870
yeah okay

1088
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:22,280
so we're having a little Skype issue

1089
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:24,290
every now and then your screen freezes

1090
00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:29,630
up so yeah this is interesting is that

1091
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:31,940
when the couple was walking home like at

1092
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:33,950
10 o'clock at night that one in

1093
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:36,710
particular very interesting very

1094
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:39,560
interesting but startling and apparently

1095
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:42,740
only the woman came forward again that

1096
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:45,230
was something I did not receive that

1097
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,330
went to phantoms and monsters blonde

1098
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,760
received a call apparently talked to the

1099
00:48:55,930 --> 00:48:52,160
woman but the I think the husband and

1100
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:55,940
talked was just the the wife another

1101
00:49:01,390 --> 00:48:58,130
call that he did receive one of these

1102
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:01,400
unusual ones was in Bolingbrook now I've

1103
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:04,520
investigated that location it's a park

1104
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:08,480
in and uh Indian Boundary Park and it's

1105
00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:12,550
adjacent to a a very long stretch of

1106
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:17,080
open area along the DuPage River and

1107
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:20,420
this park supposedly this individual at

1108
00:49:25,180 --> 00:49:23,390
at late at night ten o'clock or so

1109
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:25,190
starts walking through the park and it's

1110
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:27,380
closed by the way the park is closed at

1111
00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:29,870
it does and they give tickets and

1112
00:49:34,990 --> 00:49:32,390
they're very serious about that though I

1113
00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:35,000
guess some people wander out there and I

1114
00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:37,880
find it unusual because the mosquitoes

1115
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,950
and we have West Nile out here is you

1116
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:43,040
know we have issues with that she's out

1117
00:49:49,650 --> 00:49:45,490
there and wandering around in the dark

1118
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:49,660
and sees this figure that she thinks is

1119
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:53,420
- a couple kissing and then she takes

1120
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:54,770
out her camera and she was going to take

1121
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:57,950
a picture of them now first of all I I

1122
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:00,020
have two problems with the judgment of

1123
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:02,870
this person taking a picture of some

1124
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:05,210
strangers or maybe having some interlude

1125
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:07,340
that you may not want to interrupt cuz

1126
00:50:12,010 --> 00:50:09,530
you don't know what's going on you may

1127
00:50:13,570 --> 00:50:12,020
get your head bashed in so and then the

1128
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,580
other thing is you're you're being

1129
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:15,280
you're being eaten alive by mosquitoes

1130
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,410
and you're gonna in either way if a

1131
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:20,480
police officer comes by you're gonna get

1132
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:21,050
a ticket

1133
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:22,510
I'm quite

1134
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:26,740
the sanity about this whole story and a

1135
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,550
guess she feels that it wasn't a couple

1136
00:50:37,020 --> 00:50:33,520
but some unusual creature making a bunch

1137
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,030
of gurgling noises and very talk or a

1138
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:40,240
creature with gurgling noises and it had

1139
00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:41,710
something wrapped around it

1140
00:50:47,490 --> 00:50:44,500
well gurgling noises it's right next to

1141
00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:47,500
the sanitary refinement which is

1142
00:50:52,410 --> 00:50:50,740
literally feet away and you know a lot

1143
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:52,420
of gurgling noises you get when you're

1144
00:50:57,570 --> 00:50:55,420
transferring fluids from tank to tank in

1145
00:51:00,060 --> 00:50:57,580
the middle of the night I spoke to a

1146
00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,070
number of the employees there and they

1147
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,500
said we know nothing about this it's a

1148
00:51:06,270 --> 00:51:04,240
small community in fact that's what each

1149
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:06,280
person said this is a small community

1150
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:08,770
here if anything was going on we would

1151
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:11,020
have heard about it I also spoke to the

1152
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:14,020
gentleman who lived right at the corner

1153
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:17,740
house and he says I was up that night I

1154
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,020
heard nothing didn't see anybody out

1155
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:23,920
there and I'm sure people do go back

1156
00:51:30,810 --> 00:51:27,070
there but I didn't hear anything about

1157
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:30,820
this but that's where that one stands so

1158
00:51:37,350 --> 00:51:33,870
I questioned the sanity of the person

1159
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:37,360
there but I shouldn't say sanity but the

1160
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:41,980
the the judgment of the yeah Sam how

1161
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,710
much time would you say that you have

1162
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:47,440
involved in researching just this the

1163
00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:48,970
Mothman I'm you know I know you're a

1164
00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:52,270
real dedicated researcher volumes III

1165
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:54,040
wouldn't I

1166
00:51:59,100 --> 00:51:57,070
and I've spent the time on the cases

1167
00:52:02,340 --> 00:51:59,110
that I could actually do something about

1168
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,350
or take a to across comparison we've

1169
00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:04,000
we've seen there's a lot of commonality

1170
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:07,840
and in the narratives we've seen that

1171
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:10,300
there are some unusual aspects that you

1172
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:12,790
don't you don't see in a regular report

1173
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:15,910
and that's why we call this a lot of

1174
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:18,460
this into question not everything we we

1175
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:20,500
know that people have seen things and

1176
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:24,370
they were honest to call in and and said

1177
00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:26,320
what they seen for instance there was a

1178
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:29,590
sighting down in and Kelson Cal City a

1179
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:31,630
person in the afternoon we think was

1180
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:35,370
around 7:30 I think was May 27th

1181
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:37,470
she's seen something at first she

1182
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:39,330
thought it was a helicopter she's

1183
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:40,830
looking out to the west so she's seeing

1184
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:43,740
a silhouette and the other thing is at

1185
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:46,320
that time the day the Sun was just about

1186
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,150
ready to set there was very little

1187
00:52:53,090 --> 00:52:50,940
sunlight and she said that they've seen

1188
00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:53,100
it they didn't know what it was until it

1189
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:55,110
went in front of the moon well the moon

1190
00:53:02,780 --> 00:53:00,660
was only 1/6 of its illumination 1/6 now

1191
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:02,790
the arm and you take your arm and your

1192
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,950
thumb and index finger and string and

1193
00:53:09,260 --> 00:53:06,960
you put it out it's the size of an

1194
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,270
aspirin now you take that down to 1/6

1195
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:11,640
that's pretty small and in the blink of

1196
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:13,380
an eye you're going to assess something

1197
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:15,110
that you just thought was a helicopter

1198
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:17,880
minutes before I have a problem with

1199
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:19,620
that I don't know problem with the

1200
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,720
person I just think the environment

1201
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:24,240
isn't good to make a judgment call on

1202
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:27,030
something like that and a lot of reports

1203
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:29,010
come in like that the other thing is a

1204
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:31,590
lot of them sound like possibly a

1205
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,210
misidentification of great the great

1206
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:38,460
blue herons and of course the sandhill

1207
00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:42,150
cranes sandhill cranes in flight look

1208
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,140
like pterodactyls I've seen them and

1209
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:47,520
that is one of the things that it

1210
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:52,020
definitely does look like so I I don't

1211
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:54,390
think it's people are pranking

1212
00:53:59,060 --> 00:53:57,330
everything and I would love to think

1213
00:54:02,000 --> 00:53:59,070
there's some cryptid out there that I

1214
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:02,010
could possibly get a matching wardrobe

1215
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:04,470
with and take it out in the town but I

1216
00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:07,530
don't know it not as of yet and I'll up

1217
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:09,480
to make sure you get a matching wardrobe

1218
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:13,650
- oh absolutely yes yes yeah so I am

1219
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:17,310
opening up I think in the second hour we

1220
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,850
can talk about other things you know I

1221
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:23,040
thought there was a lot more to this

1222
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:26,370
than there actually is and it's still

1223
00:54:30,620 --> 00:54:27,960
very interesting how this is going on

1224
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:30,630
but I would like to know if anyone is

1225
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,820
listening live now if they'd like to

1226
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:35,280
call in and ask our guest a question

1227
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:40,050
the number is 603 967 403 Oh

1228
00:54:48,529 --> 00:54:42,450
or you can Skype in and that's Marty

1229
00:54:51,529 --> 00:54:48,539
will Smar t YW I ll is so

1230
00:54:53,959 --> 00:54:51,539
as far as you know the the original

1231
00:54:56,839 --> 00:54:53,969
Mothman sightings say people have talked

1232
00:54:59,599 --> 00:54:56,849
about a similar type of creature for

1233
00:55:02,900 --> 00:54:59,609
hundreds of years from what I gather but

1234
00:55:05,179 --> 00:55:02,910
the one that made you know the movie was

1235
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,189
made after and that Strickler you know

1236
00:55:10,759 --> 00:55:08,640
wrote the book about that is a

1237
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,769
fascinating case because the bridge fell

1238
00:55:14,689 --> 00:55:13,559
down and 46 people died you know year

1239
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:14,699
later and a lot of people thought that

1240
00:55:19,219 --> 00:55:17,130
was some type of sign some people said

1241
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:19,229
they saw the Mothman on the bridge that

1242
00:55:25,729 --> 00:55:22,589
day they thought it was did you look

1243
00:55:29,509 --> 00:55:25,739
into that case as well and and try to

1244
00:55:30,949 --> 00:55:29,519
certain parallels only it the thing is

1245
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:30,959
you want to draw parallels when you have

1246
00:55:34,579 --> 00:55:32,609
something to draw parallels to when you

1247
00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:34,589
have got when you have bunk you know

1248
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:37,469
nothing to draw it to then you're just

1249
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:40,169
creating an illusion so you have to

1250
00:55:46,459 --> 00:55:42,630
really watch that I know the case that

1251
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:46,469
was one of the first keels book boy back

1252
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:48,900
in sixty whenever I was 67 I think you

1253
00:55:58,339 --> 00:55:52,410
wrote the book or 68 I got that book

1254
00:56:00,769 --> 00:55:58,349
right away I had I mean as far as

1255
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:00,779
correlations of course there's a lot of

1256
00:56:05,419 --> 00:56:02,729
correlations which is is a great

1257
00:56:09,229 --> 00:56:05,429
opportunity to to find correlations it's

1258
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,239
already scripted now now for people who

1259
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,400
knew nothing about this that would be

1260
00:56:16,339 --> 00:56:13,079
interesting and then they had a sighting

1261
00:56:18,909 --> 00:56:16,349
that's that would be interesting what

1262
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:18,919
we're missing the boat here is that now

1263
00:56:25,699 --> 00:56:22,799
we have a new understanding of how to go

1264
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,709
a new way to understand how to go about

1265
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:28,319
investing all types of paranormal cases

1266
00:56:35,419 --> 00:56:31,559
or UFO cases we have to look at the

1267
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,429
source itself and that is really so

1268
00:56:39,259 --> 00:56:37,619
intriguing and so important the other

1269
00:56:42,019 --> 00:56:39,269
thing that's going on is the social

1270
00:56:46,179 --> 00:56:42,029
psychology here this is a case to really

1271
00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:46,189
examine how things are moving about now

1272
00:56:52,759 --> 00:56:48,599
December 15th is the 50-year anniversary

1273
00:56:57,559 --> 00:56:52,769
of the bridge being caving down on 40

1274
00:57:01,099 --> 00:56:57,569
some people there's been evidence that

1275
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:01,109
says that know that the this thing or

1276
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:02,430
these sightings had nothing

1277
00:57:07,730 --> 00:57:05,160
do with it and if anything it may have

1278
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,740
been trying to warn people about it

1279
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:10,319
because there already had been corrosion

1280
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:12,420
on this bridge and I think it was built

1281
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:16,200
in 1928 or something like that so it was

1282
00:57:21,859 --> 00:57:19,050
an old bridge it was loaded with cars

1283
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:21,869
and here they are right before Christmas

1284
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:27,210
holiday it caves in on into the river

1285
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:30,329
and to people to this date have never

1286
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:31,050
been found

1287
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,880
right it's horrible yeah yeah well all

1288
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:38,400
interesting so one more time if anyone

1289
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:39,990
wants to call in about this otherwise

1290
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:44,630
I'd like to ask you about what other

1291
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:47,609
cryptids you have research in the

1292
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:50,550
Chicago area we're actually a

1293
00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:54,150
well not in Chicago area but I mean it's

1294
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:55,950
a cog wary of course there's Bigfoot

1295
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:58,170
sightings that we get in gets a banned

1296
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:01,140
in Chicago close yes we've had Bigfoot

1297
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:05,369
sightings as far south as or as close to

1298
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:08,760
like Bayliss on 159th there was a

1299
00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:10,920
sighting of a cryptid it looked like a

1300
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:14,369
Bigfoot now even with this lady who had

1301
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:18,240
seemed this big thing at this Indian

1302
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:21,510
Head boundary Indian boundary area that

1303
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:23,460
may have been something along the line

1304
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,220
of a Bigfoot if we want to talk cryptids

1305
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:28,319
this thing didn't fly she didn't see it

1306
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:29,780
fly should have seen it make noise

1307
00:58:35,900 --> 00:58:32,190
assuming that it wasn't the cirrage

1308
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:35,910
place and the gentleman did say he heard

1309
00:58:44,059 --> 00:58:39,540
noises out in the back along the river

1310
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:44,069
and you do find these these these teepee

1311
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:48,900
type of structures that are in the

1312
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:51,299
forest with trees and they're always

1313
00:58:55,789 --> 00:58:53,880
associated with Bigfoot and we've had

1314
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:55,799
sightings in Illinois has a lot of

1315
00:59:00,440 --> 00:58:58,619
sighting a Bigfoot we also have a lot of

1316
00:59:02,660 --> 00:59:00,450
sightings of big birds

1317
00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:02,670
so it wasn't odd that with what these

1318
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,270
reports came in and there may still be

1319
00:59:12,049 --> 00:59:08,819
some cryptid thing floating around out

1320
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:12,059
there back in 67 in fact July was an

1321
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:14,490
anniversary Loren Coleman worked on a

1322
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:16,170
case down in

1323
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:20,790
Illinois was lifted up by some large

1324
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:25,430
bird and ripped his coat you know and

1325
00:59:32,810 --> 00:59:29,520
multiple witnesses and the guy still

1326
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:32,820
alive and he's in his 50s and been

1327
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,980
trying to contact him by the way and I

1328
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:36,720
would like to get an interview again

1329
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:39,900
we've also had stories of cryptids that

1330
00:59:46,580 --> 00:59:43,640
go all the way back the the PS aw bird

1331
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:46,590
the Native Americans this large bird

1332
00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:49,290
that would eat people after it had the

1333
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:52,230
taste of human flesh so the thing is

1334
00:59:59,180 --> 00:59:55,080
there are stories entrenched in both the

1335
01:00:01,460 --> 00:59:59,190
myths and the culture and the very

1336
01:00:04,340 --> 01:00:01,470
interesting but the cryptic case that I

1337
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:04,350
worked on or what are the cases that the

1338
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:07,500
cryptid scenario was tangled in was up

1339
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:09,300
in Fredericks Wisconsin where we had a

1340
01:00:16,610 --> 01:00:12,450
bunch of UFO sightings the cryptid there

1341
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:16,620
was like a translucent cement salamander

1342
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:18,990
type looking thing the gentleman

1343
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:23,310
described it as being a oh it looked

1344
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:25,770
like applica samus like an algae eating

1345
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:29,400
fish but it was trans translucent and it

1346
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:33,330
had the sheen on it looked like like the

1347
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:37,190
sheen of oil like a spirit essence and

1348
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,070
it would move through the the trees and

1349
01:00:45,020 --> 01:00:42,960
it would but scare the deer

1350
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,030
and he was out there one day and he

1351
01:00:49,370 --> 01:00:47,040
could see this thing slithering through

1352
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:49,380
the trees and accessed footage of it and

1353
01:00:56,780 --> 01:00:52,740
it has gills and and from the gills is

1354
01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:56,790
is like a fluid losing from it very

1355
01:01:01,340 --> 01:00:58,620
unusual Wow

1356
01:01:04,730 --> 01:01:01,350
now besides that there was another thing

1357
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,740
up there and I've heard about this just

1358
01:01:10,580 --> 01:01:07,440
recently from another researcher that he

1359
01:01:12,850 --> 01:01:10,590
encountered this a pixelation something

1360
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:12,860
pixelated moving through the trees

1361
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,010
looking like a predator and this

1362
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:19,260
gentleman had not only seen it but

1363
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:21,270
recorded it and I've reviewed that and

1364
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:25,740
he has that footage another investigator

1365
01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:28,500
I had go up there actually seen it and

1366
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:29,940
he says when he was looking

1367
01:01:34,550 --> 01:01:31,890
it he could have sworn that this thing

1368
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:34,560
knew it stopped dead in its tracks a

1369
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:37,170
pixelated form moving along and it

1370
01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:39,150
stopped and it started coming towards

1371
01:01:43,849 --> 01:01:42,150
them then he ran back in the house so

1372
01:01:46,339 --> 01:01:43,859
did you actually review the footage

1373
01:01:49,579 --> 01:01:46,349
itself yes I did and what did you think

1374
01:01:52,809 --> 01:01:49,589
of it it's something unusual it's

1375
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:52,819
definitely pixelated and it's moving so

1376
01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:55,920
and this isn't the first time I heard

1377
01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:58,440
about this I've heard heard about it

1378
01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:01,500
I've heard about a few times in fact you

1379
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:03,500
know about skinwalker ranch right yeah

1380
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:06,540
well that same phenomena takes place

1381
01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:08,460
over there in fact what I found

1382
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:10,800
interesting George Knapp when he was

1383
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:12,750
talking about we were speaking at some

1384
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:15,210
event both of us and I was listening to

1385
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,200
and I says you know pretty much

1386
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:18,240
everything you're talking about we've

1387
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:20,250
had going on up in Fredericks

1388
01:02:26,930 --> 01:02:23,880
and most of its on film it's on video

1389
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:26,940
the problem is I getting access to it

1390
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:29,579
you know that's the issue I've reviewed

1391
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:31,770
it it's there multiple people reviewed

1392
01:02:41,260 --> 01:02:36,540
it and so you had the UFO activity you

1393
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:41,270
had unusual cryptids you had it was like

1394
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:43,710
you know a playground for the paranormal

1395
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:46,500
and preternatural and you Falah djegal

1396
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:49,740
all in one shot and part of my research

1397
01:02:59,960 --> 01:02:56,400
was why why there why a place like say

1398
01:03:01,940 --> 01:02:59,970
for instance the skinwalker ranch I was

1399
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:01,950
working on another case down in Arizona

1400
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,280
why that location is there some sort of

1401
01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:08,640
unusual geology that makes it conducive

1402
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:11,240
for the phenomena to be received

1403
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:15,599
perceived and recorded I don't know but

1404
01:03:26,359 --> 01:03:18,089
there there are these locations that

1405
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:26,369
have higher incidents one of these

1406
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:30,900
locations in last year I don't think so

1407
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:33,720
but if it was I sure like to see more

1408
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:36,930
evidence on it because that'd be great

1409
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:40,920
you know yeah yeah no I think that's all

1410
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:43,260
really fascinating and you know

1411
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:48,390
burr of people will theorize that

1412
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:51,780
there's something going on with either a

1413
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:54,570
portal or some other type of dimension

1414
01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:56,730
I'm sure you've heard of that when it

1415
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:58,140
comes to all these things happening at

1416
01:04:03,830 --> 01:04:00,930
once in one area you know there's all

1417
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:03,840
the speculation the whole dimensional

1418
01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:06,720
concept is I don't that's where I really

1419
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:08,760
got into the dimension edge you know

1420
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:11,040
potential of something dimensional was

1421
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:13,740
in 2004 but 2004 was the year of the

1422
01:04:16,550 --> 01:04:14,160
weird

1423
01:04:18,859 --> 01:04:16,560
we had Tinley but stop and think of the

1424
01:04:22,130 --> 01:04:18,869
events of 2004 of all the things that

1425
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,140
went on first of all the year prior the

1426
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:25,200
Sun was on an extended cycle 11-year

1427
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:28,410
cycle with sunspots and and CME's now

1428
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:31,050
went well beyond that and then all of a

1429
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,220
sudden while while this was going on we

1430
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:38,400
had these storms down in the Caribbean

1431
01:04:44,030 --> 01:04:42,000
we had what 13 storms that was a record

1432
01:04:47,260 --> 01:04:44,040
period of time of weird stuff going on

1433
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:47,270
plus earthquakes and we had the Sumatran

1434
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:51,450
earthquake and tsunami that took place

1435
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:53,880
in December so we had a bunch of things

1436
01:04:59,680 --> 01:04:57,570
escalating and going on now in this year

1437
01:05:02,810 --> 01:04:59,690
we've had quite a bit of unusual

1438
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:02,820
activity not so much solar but but

1439
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:07,410
unusual activity earthquakes etc in fact

1440
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:09,390
we just went through a period just last

1441
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:14,130
week or so so are we at this a cusp of

1442
01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:16,890
something unusual taking place again so

1443
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:18,780
I don't discount you know going back to

1444
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:20,250
the Chicago stuff I don't discount

1445
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:23,910
everything but in the same token what

1446
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:25,530
they keep bringing up is this harbinger

1447
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:28,440
of doom and I don't like to hear that

1448
01:05:33,050 --> 01:05:31,230
because knowing the psychology of some

1449
01:05:36,050 --> 01:05:33,060
weirdos out there all it needs is it

1450
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:36,060
takes one little push to get them to do

1451
01:05:41,570 --> 01:05:39,540
something stupid and versus something

1452
01:05:44,510 --> 01:05:41,580
that was really just basically there to

1453
01:05:47,690 --> 01:05:44,520
warn people which I would like to think

1454
01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:47,700
in the event this wasn't a genuine event

1455
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,060
and you know Mount Pleasant I think that

1456
01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:53,119
would have been the scenario versus

1457
01:06:00,510 --> 01:05:56,470
creating the problem you know yeah

1458
01:06:02,220 --> 01:06:00,520
yeah I'm sure you've heard of trying to

1459
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,230
remember his name now he has been on

1460
01:06:06,750 --> 01:06:05,920
this show Michael Cleland or Cleland is

1461
01:06:10,530 --> 01:06:06,760
his last name

1462
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,540
Michael cleaned King Cleveland Cleveland

1463
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:13,140
Cleveland he doesn't think he does

1464
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:16,390
lectures and he's written I think at

1465
01:06:24,839 --> 01:06:22,180
least one book on owls and the vowels

1466
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:24,849
yes yes yes which i think is really

1467
01:06:27,890 --> 01:06:27,010
fascinating now a lot of a lot of people

1468
01:06:30,329 --> 01:06:27,900
are they

1469
01:06:33,870 --> 01:06:30,339
speculating that what they're seeing is

1470
01:06:35,819 --> 01:06:33,880
owls to the large owls well initially

1471
01:06:37,319 --> 01:06:35,829
started out not think of they think of

1472
01:06:39,450 --> 01:06:37,329
the cases here they started out with

1473
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:39,460
being large owls which could be like a

1474
01:06:43,859 --> 01:06:41,140
lot choose us or something like that

1475
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:43,869
then all of a sudden and and then all of

1476
01:06:48,450 --> 01:06:45,730
a sudden we're getting baptized

1477
01:06:50,579 --> 01:06:48,460
creatures now other researchers are

1478
01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:50,589
saying we have multiple creatures going

1479
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:53,500
on because now what's being seen in the

1480
01:07:00,540 --> 01:06:55,569
little village area or at least October

1481
01:07:04,910 --> 01:07:00,550
October the 27th were these gargoyle

1482
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:04,920
type creatures and on the 27th at a park

1483
01:07:12,210 --> 01:07:08,319
in a parking lot at a park on 31st

1484
01:07:14,059 --> 01:07:12,220
Street a couple was attacked by such

1485
01:07:17,309 --> 01:07:14,069
creature which was about six feet tall

1486
01:07:20,190 --> 01:07:17,319
jumped on the car and was hitting the

1487
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,200
windshield with its wings and trying to

1488
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:21,760
scrape at them now

1489
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:24,310
the funny thing about this is it's

1490
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:26,470
directly across the street from one of

1491
01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:29,369
the most popular pizza places in Chicago

1492
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:32,500
home run in they have two parking lots

1493
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:35,770
east and west and they're open till 11

1494
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:39,760
o'clock at night 31st Street isn't

1495
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:42,609
exactly no-man's land people are out

1496
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:46,500
this was like a very popular time for

1497
01:07:52,650 --> 01:07:49,690
festivities the Day of the Dead was

1498
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,660
coming up that weekend so I mean a lot

1499
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:54,160
of things were going on Layton later

1500
01:08:01,170 --> 01:07:57,849
into evening and for nobody else to have

1501
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:01,180
seen this I find this very odd but this

1502
01:08:05,069 --> 01:08:02,710
is a type of events that we're getting

1503
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:05,079
and it seems like a lot of these

1504
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:08,140
sightings have been centrally located

1505
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:10,090
and again more like

1506
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:14,310
gargoyles and bat-like creatures into

1507
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:17,830
pockets that would be perfect to say

1508
01:08:21,690 --> 01:08:19,330
well yeah they're not going to talk

1509
01:08:23,730 --> 01:08:21,700
because these are ethnic communities

1510
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,740
well we have people in those ethnic

1511
01:08:28,110 --> 01:08:26,080
communities and they're saying they

1512
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:28,120
haven't heard anything about this and

1513
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:30,270
they would have been a situation - no

1514
01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:33,130
but let's assume that it was this blink

1515
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:36,160
moment where something came shooting in

1516
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:40,089
from some other quantum reality okay and

1517
01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:43,540
it just shot through via I don't know a

1518
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:47,800
telephone booth or or via a the other

1519
01:08:55,710 --> 01:08:53,710
thing was what a hot tub right to go

1520
01:08:58,110 --> 01:08:55,720
through a time machine let's say they

1521
01:09:00,450 --> 01:08:58,120
did that when there be some residue

1522
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:00,460
somewhere supposedly it's hitting the

1523
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:02,770
car and all this stuff there's gonna be

1524
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,410
some physical trace evidence and none of

1525
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:07,600
that has come forward yet and wouldn't

1526
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:09,060
you want to get your hands on it and

1527
01:09:13,710 --> 01:09:11,650
supposedly one researcher is talking to

1528
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:13,720
them I don't know where this is going or

1529
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:16,270
if it's developed or what but this is

1530
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:18,370
the frustration that we have to deal

1531
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:20,290
with mean you really do want to you

1532
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:22,089
really would like to get something I

1533
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:24,370
really would love to have something on

1534
01:09:31,380 --> 01:09:28,330
film or whatever to say yes there's

1535
01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:31,390
something going on here and that's

1536
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:34,120
frustrating as well you know what about

1537
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:37,600
mainstream media have has there been any

1538
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:40,570
publicity as far as so the sightings go

1539
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:43,990
has any well sure yeah I know you have

1540
01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:45,520
Lloyds I've written about it

1541
01:09:50,340 --> 01:09:48,609
yes Tribune wrote an article and in fact

1542
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:50,350
what I found interesting is they drew a

1543
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:53,530
correlation between the Tinley Park

1544
01:09:57,630 --> 01:09:55,930
sighting really they put that and I

1545
01:09:59,670 --> 01:09:57,640
don't know why because the funny thing

1546
01:10:01,950 --> 01:09:59,680
ends at Gimli Park signing we had

1547
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:01,960
hundreds of witnesses that came forward

1548
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:05,290
hundreds we've had identified over 25

1549
01:10:09,210 --> 01:10:07,630
sets of footage we've analyzed it

1550
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:09,220
through multiple groups of people

1551
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:11,410
analyzing this why would you want to

1552
01:10:17,010 --> 01:10:14,890
draw that again back to is there

1553
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:17,020
something else at play is there somebody

1554
01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:20,440
else trying to do something to create a

1555
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:22,720
scenario and then say well it's like

1556
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:23,810
this so therefore that

1557
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:26,750
isn't real there's a lot of psychology

1558
01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:28,970
here social psychology this is not

1559
01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:31,340
something and this is why don't take

1560
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:34,460
this this like oh this is just nonsense

1561
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:36,980
no there's something going on here and

1562
01:10:44,050 --> 01:10:39,860
to pay attention to it from the social

1563
01:10:46,030 --> 01:10:44,060
psychology and and how how how

1564
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:46,040
information gets out today in the cyber

1565
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:49,370
world is so quick that you could destroy

1566
01:10:55,090 --> 01:10:51,530
a person's reputation in the blink and

1567
01:10:57,070 --> 01:10:55,100
one little social media thing on the

1568
01:10:58,900 --> 01:10:57,080
same token with a you could create a

1569
01:11:00,820 --> 01:10:58,910
flap and then you could have it

1570
01:11:02,890 --> 01:11:00,830
dismissed as being something crazy and

1571
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:02,900
you put it all into the same bag and

1572
01:11:07,810 --> 01:11:04,670
that isn't the case whatsoever

1573
01:11:09,970 --> 01:11:07,820
I'm not saying all of this is crazy I'm

1574
01:11:12,970 --> 01:11:09,980
saying there's obviously people seeing

1575
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:12,980
something but what is it some of this we

1576
01:11:17,290 --> 01:11:14,900
could we can dismiss as being something

1577
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:17,300
just misidentified but they know that

1578
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:19,910
there's something else at play that is

1579
01:11:26,370 --> 01:11:23,360
much deeper that is the monster under

1580
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:26,380
the bed there is something going on

1581
01:11:31,780 --> 01:11:29,360
beyond that and this is where it gets

1582
01:11:36,220 --> 01:11:31,790
interesting right and that's that's

1583
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:36,230
where the study is going yeah yeah so as

1584
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:42,650
far as you mentioned earlier that the

1585
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,030
sightings you know they came from an IP

1586
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:50,480
address a couple you know came to

1587
01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:51,770
different sightings came from one IP

1588
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:53,630
address and then they were close

1589
01:11:59,620 --> 01:11:55,610
did you actually follow through to see

1590
01:12:02,550 --> 01:11:59,630
where those IP addresses originated like

1591
01:12:12,430 --> 01:12:02,560
were they right in the city that will be

1592
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:12,440
done yeah yeah I it's like again you

1593
01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:15,110
could always fake an IP address - yeah

1594
01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:19,070
you can you can spoof it yeah result the

1595
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:21,980
yeah never you could steal it or Network

1596
01:12:25,570 --> 01:12:23,990
it this much we did do the first two

1597
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:25,580
came in during the morning at certain

1598
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:27,710
time and the last three came in at

1599
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:29,510
certain time in the evening there is a

1600
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:32,270
correlation there so even if it's now

1601
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:34,130
this is the problem right off the bat

1602
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:36,170
but the first three I says I didn't want

1603
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:37,730
to even know the IP edge

1604
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:40,370
addresses or which ones were the funny

1605
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:41,990
ones I had to come up with a separate

1606
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:45,290
layer of evaluating these to see where

1607
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:48,410
else we could find an issue and this

1608
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:51,290
isn't so much just for here we get

1609
01:12:57,850 --> 01:12:55,280
reports as you know every day so what we

1610
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:57,860
learned here we need to apply for

1611
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:00,380
everything else not just a new follow G

1612
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:03,170
but in all research so we know if the

1613
01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:04,730
wait time is the most precious of all

1614
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:07,640
commodities so we want to dedicate it in

1615
01:13:13,090 --> 01:13:09,290
the right direction so you know we can

1616
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:13,100
sort out things and evaluate snow faster

1617
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:16,790
triage our work and when people dedicate

1618
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:19,730
their time to an organization or to a

1619
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:21,920
study you want to have them be able look

1620
01:13:27,550 --> 01:13:25,160
at stuff that's worthwhile so I think

1621
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:27,560
this has not been a foolish waste of

1622
01:13:32,860 --> 01:13:30,050
time and it is ongoing Wow

1623
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:32,870
and yeah who knows who knows what the

1624
01:13:38,710 --> 01:13:36,290
future holds for these sightings it will

1625
01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:38,720
be it will be interesting you're right

1626
01:13:44,410 --> 01:13:40,790
as far as you know these other original

1627
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:44,420
sightings we're back in the 60s and you

1628
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:46,250
know long before internet long before

1629
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:48,250
things could get tainted easily or

1630
01:13:57,210 --> 01:13:53,600
copycat it easily so you know you have

1631
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:57,220
to you have to deal with that with

1632
01:14:02,760 --> 01:13:59,330
unfortunately it's just like UFO

1633
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:02,770
sightings the hoaxes can get mixed in

1634
01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:05,810
you know now we have you know Chinese

1635
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:08,030
lanterns and drones and everything else

1636
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:11,090
besides you know a ten year old can get

1637
01:14:20,050 --> 01:14:13,970
on some computer program and do a great

1638
01:14:23,530 --> 01:14:20,060
CGI UFO oh boy seen some beauties yeah

1639
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:23,540
and and now with the drones oh boy tons

1640
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:28,490
of of drones related videos and

1641
01:14:32,860 --> 01:14:30,980
photographs are coming in the other

1642
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,870
thing is just a good old-fashioned

1643
01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:34,400
refractions of light we're getting more

1644
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,980
of those people is putting all sorts of

1645
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:38,480
stuff but they're putting into creative

1646
01:14:45,550 --> 01:14:42,710
narrative to pull you in words are very

1647
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:45,560
powerful they pull you right in and

1648
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:47,810
people are so used to so much fiction

1649
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:50,090
they can't discern the difference in

1650
01:14:54,879 --> 01:14:51,030
fact I was

1651
01:14:57,620 --> 01:14:54,889
reading a study oh gosh

1652
01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:57,630
trying to think of the university but it

1653
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:00,090
came down to 29% of even average people

1654
01:15:08,839 --> 01:15:06,750
without a nice fictional event that took

1655
01:15:12,109 --> 01:15:08,849
place in an actual event it was their

1656
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:12,119
problems so with 29 percent of just

1657
01:15:16,279 --> 01:15:13,500
normal people just think of how many

1658
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:16,289
people are goofed up today overstressed

1659
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:19,110
don't get sleep or whatever for whatever

1660
01:15:23,959 --> 01:15:21,030
reasons not functioning with all their

1661
01:15:26,419 --> 01:15:23,969
their faculties and you throw that

1662
01:15:29,839 --> 01:15:26,429
equation and boy that numbers got to be

1663
01:15:34,339 --> 01:15:29,849
a lot higher yeah absolutely

1664
01:15:35,779 --> 01:15:34,349
you know it's when people are like you

1665
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:35,789
said when they're tired you know

1666
01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:37,650
something can happen and you're in a

1667
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:41,190
memory doesn't know isn't always

1668
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:44,610
reliable either you know and it's best

1669
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:47,340
if someone reports something immediately

1670
01:15:52,129 --> 01:15:50,190
after you know I'm sure I'm sure you see

1671
01:15:54,109 --> 01:15:52,139
the difference between you know

1672
01:15:57,319 --> 01:15:54,119
someone's recounting something and

1673
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:57,329
someone makes a time work yeah there's

1674
01:16:01,129 --> 01:15:59,159
in fact the other thing is all these are

1675
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:01,139
after the fact it's not and that's the

1676
01:16:05,029 --> 01:16:02,369
problem you know or you don't have

1677
01:16:08,569 --> 01:16:05,039
proactive work we have reactive work

1678
01:16:10,339 --> 01:16:08,579
they has Dahlan lights that is proactive

1679
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:10,349
work they're actually out there with

1680
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:14,489
equipment analyzing a phenomenon many of

1681
01:16:17,899 --> 01:16:16,050
these ghost hunters go out and I knew

1682
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:17,909
EVPs whatever it is they're doing

1683
01:16:22,069 --> 01:16:20,489
something proactive in real time when

1684
01:16:25,549 --> 01:16:22,079
you're doing reactive work you're

1685
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:25,559
completely dependent upon a the person

1686
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:29,449
their ability to recall the information

1687
01:16:35,149 --> 01:16:32,610
to first of all we observe it in the

1688
01:16:38,029 --> 01:16:35,159
first place and put it together and and

1689
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:38,039
to recall it properly to you so you can

1690
01:16:43,129 --> 01:16:41,010
discern what they're saying and so you

1691
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,139
have three levels of interpretation

1692
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:45,420
going on that makes it far too

1693
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:47,940
complicated and then when it comes to

1694
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:50,369
equipment of course not everybody is an

1695
01:16:56,899 --> 01:16:53,460
expert with the camera or a video so you

1696
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:56,909
have you have that issue too so we get

1697
01:17:00,979 --> 01:16:59,219
now with the internet and so many of the

1698
01:17:03,140 --> 01:17:00,989
cases we get our just narratives and

1699
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:03,150
this is the case here we had just

1700
01:17:07,049 --> 01:17:04,510
narratives

1701
01:17:09,180 --> 01:17:07,059
except for the two photos which I think

1702
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:09,190
we pretty much nailed the first one with

1703
01:17:13,169 --> 01:17:11,230
the highest very high degree of do you

1704
01:17:15,779 --> 01:17:13,179
see the email I did get back from the

1705
01:17:17,819 --> 01:17:15,789
company stating that that is there yeah

1706
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:17,829
that your product I was just going

1707
01:17:22,529 --> 01:17:20,050
through that I saw that yeah yeah yeah

1708
01:17:25,049 --> 01:17:22,539
that is funny so these things it's

1709
01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:25,059
difficult right you know and then you

1710
01:17:31,259 --> 01:17:27,820
think of the video and and film like you

1711
01:17:34,379 --> 01:17:31,269
just said I mean no pictures but one

1712
01:17:36,330 --> 01:17:34,389
that had an ongoing narrative one of the

1713
01:17:37,979 --> 01:17:36,340
things that I was thinking of why we

1714
01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:37,989
were talking about this is when Charles

1715
01:17:42,509 --> 01:17:41,230
halt recorded that audio when he was

1716
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:42,519
having that sighting in Rendlesham

1717
01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:45,730
forest I mean that is such a great a

1718
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,280
great tense real-time that's real time

1719
01:17:54,959 --> 01:17:51,280
multiple witnesses and unfortunately it

1720
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:54,969
has become one heck of an a football

1721
01:18:01,799 --> 01:17:58,000
right for many issues and in the turret

1722
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:01,809
of emotional problems but in in scenario

1723
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:03,750
and that I don't think it's uncommon

1724
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:06,489
when you were dealing with a phenomena

1725
01:18:11,009 --> 01:18:09,369
like this that people interpret you

1726
01:18:12,569 --> 01:18:11,019
could have a person standing right next

1727
01:18:14,459 --> 01:18:12,579
to you and they will interpret it

1728
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:14,469
differently how can it possibly be

1729
01:18:20,069 --> 01:18:18,400
I think the phenomena itself affects

1730
01:18:22,589 --> 01:18:20,079
each person a little bit differently

1731
01:18:25,169 --> 01:18:22,599
when I say the UFO phenomena paranormal

1732
01:18:28,259 --> 01:18:25,179
phenomena that's why I don't discount

1733
01:18:29,939 --> 01:18:28,269
everything I just know that it affects

1734
01:18:33,149 --> 01:18:29,949
people as far as their interpretive

1735
01:18:36,660 --> 01:18:33,159
skills it may affect them physically in

1736
01:18:40,290 --> 01:18:36,670
as far as the the brain who knows we

1737
01:18:43,379 --> 01:18:40,300
don't know what goes on I know in in

1738
01:18:46,290 --> 01:18:43,389
that in in the original Mothman

1739
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:46,300
sightings there were physical events

1740
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,050
where people did have physical trace

1741
01:18:54,299 --> 01:18:51,280
scenarios there were things going on

1742
01:18:56,939 --> 01:18:54,309
that cannot be duplicated or cannot be

1743
01:18:59,250 --> 01:18:56,949
explained away I have is really like

1744
01:19:01,890 --> 01:18:59,260
some sort of prosaic explanation it just

1745
01:19:03,180 --> 01:19:01,900
doesn't happen and and that makes all

1746
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:03,190
the difference in the world when you

1747
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:05,170
could test something and you can see

1748
01:19:10,729 --> 01:19:07,510
that something is going on that's the

1749
01:19:13,109 --> 01:19:10,739
second best thing to a real-time

1750
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:13,119
evaluation is something that you can at

1751
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:15,010
least test photographs physical trace

1752
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:17,050
evidence something that's supportive

1753
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:17,830
right

1754
01:19:25,470 --> 01:19:22,810
texted me on my phone he's listening

1755
01:19:28,530 --> 01:19:25,480
live now and he said you know the

1756
01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:28,540
Mothman sightings down at pleasant point

1757
01:19:34,380 --> 01:19:31,420
West Virginia all happened relatively in

1758
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:34,390
this very same area is that is that

1759
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:35,370
right

1760
01:19:41,130 --> 01:19:38,170
yes that was pretty much the same area

1761
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:41,140
yeah it was very close all with a pretty

1762
01:19:46,890 --> 01:19:43,690
well confined though thought than the

1763
01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:46,900
wider air we've had cryptids like that

1764
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:49,960
reported throughout throughout the world

1765
01:19:55,170 --> 01:19:53,200
winged cryptids so I mean that's why I

1766
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:55,180
don't discount all this stuff but weird

1767
01:20:00,360 --> 01:19:57,130
it weird happens we know there's weird

1768
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:00,370
out there is it as an instance is it

1769
01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:04,150
ongoing again back to was there

1770
01:20:09,690 --> 01:20:07,780
something in that area going on back to

1771
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,700
the geology or you know they were

1772
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,760
talking about the military the the

1773
01:20:16,380 --> 01:20:13,840
military presence out there

1774
01:20:18,990 --> 01:20:16,390
the TNT they had it was a lot of focus

1775
01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:19,000
and that what doesn't get it what

1776
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:22,300
doesn't get talked about is the volume

1777
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:24,970
of UFO cases that were going on at that

1778
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:27,850
period of time in that area just in that

1779
01:20:34,350 --> 01:20:30,730
area not not even to take into

1780
01:20:37,380 --> 01:20:34,360
consideration across the country from 66

1781
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,390
to 67 we had tons of UFO activity of

1782
01:20:45,210 --> 01:20:40,960
course we had the swamp gas scenario in

1783
01:20:48,090 --> 01:20:45,220
66 so I mean we had tons of UFO activity

1784
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:48,100
going on very good man sightings but

1785
01:20:53,010 --> 01:20:50,170
here in this one concentrated area

1786
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:53,020
hundreds of reports very very well

1787
01:20:57,420 --> 01:20:55,510
documented very good photograph for

1788
01:21:03,300 --> 01:20:57,430
photographic evidence on and on and on

1789
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:03,310
and that takes a second seat to the

1790
01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:06,640
Mothman scenario do you see see what's

1791
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:09,670
going on there now again the UFOs and

1792
01:21:15,210 --> 01:21:11,940
the Mothman there is that correlation

1793
01:21:19,670 --> 01:21:15,220
here in Illinois during this scenario in

1794
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:19,680
Chicago there was only one episode of an

1795
01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:22,660
entrance of something being seen that

1796
01:21:30,910 --> 01:21:26,350
may be considered as a UFO and that was

1797
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:30,920
the woman on the boat off

1798
01:21:37,210 --> 01:21:33,110
montrose harbour where she saw the green

1799
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:37,220
light moving across the horizon that was

1800
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:40,370
the only one and that green light was

1801
01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:42,290
more than likely if it this is a

1802
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:44,870
genuinely honest report which I don't

1803
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:48,080
think because it comes in with the three

1804
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:50,690
of them collectively from the same ip

1805
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:53,210
address I'm just reiterating that but it

1806
01:21:59,230 --> 01:21:56,330
would very well have been the starboard

1807
01:22:02,110 --> 01:21:59,240
side of a navigational light on a boat

1808
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:02,120
going across further out on Lake

1809
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:04,550
Michigan and going from north to south

1810
01:22:09,730 --> 01:22:07,100
and as you know when you're out there on

1811
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:09,740
the lake you want to see lights so

1812
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:12,170
you're gonna keep your lights dim as

1813
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:14,330
possible and make sure buddy could see

1814
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:16,010
your navigational lights yeah because

1815
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:17,930
that is what really matters

1816
01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:21,290
and if you're coming into port you want

1817
01:22:25,570 --> 01:22:22,760
to make sure you could see what's out

1818
01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:25,580
there and they make sure they could see

1819
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:29,420
you coming in and I was trying to

1820
01:22:33,550 --> 01:22:30,650
explain that to a person I'm thinking

1821
01:22:35,890 --> 01:22:33,560
now I had explained to somebody they've

1822
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:35,900
probably never done much boating but you

1823
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:38,930
know what I'm talking about yeah but

1824
01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:41,050
that was the only thing that came in

1825
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:44,660
resembling a correlation again here

1826
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:47,330
going back to the Chicago and with the

1827
01:22:54,940 --> 01:22:50,690
original case so there was absolutely no

1828
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:54,950
UFO activity whatsoever zero Wow well

1829
01:22:59,860 --> 01:22:57,920
those people said that that the green

1830
01:23:02,890 --> 01:22:59,870
orb according to them scared them more

1831
01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:02,900
than the Mothman yep because it moved

1832
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:05,260
across the horizon it was very bright

1833
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:08,930
now again that has the same IP address

1834
01:23:12,940 --> 01:23:11,330
as the three yeah they're out there

1835
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:12,950
going through it all the name go through

1836
01:23:16,450 --> 01:23:14,450
everything and the moon didn't come up

1837
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:16,460
for an hour and 43 minutes and no she

1838
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:19,460
sees the I mean yeah at some point just

1839
01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:21,770
say give me a break yeah you know and

1840
01:23:25,570 --> 01:23:24,200
that people are bashing you oh but then

1841
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:25,580
it could be this then it could be that

1842
01:23:32,710 --> 01:23:28,250
and that no and then it could be the

1843
01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:32,720
obvious you know yeah but who knows yeah

1844
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:34,700
and it's a time waster for you someone

1845
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:37,040
that's taking this seriously it's too

1846
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:39,770
bad of course I mean I'm looking for

1847
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:41,420
this cryptid and I'm dead serious

1848
01:23:44,689 --> 01:23:43,820
you know I I'd love because I know these

1849
01:23:48,109 --> 01:23:44,699
things

1850
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,119
weird exists so I sure would like to

1851
01:23:54,109 --> 01:23:51,600
find it and find supporting evidence I'm

1852
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:54,119
not out to do you know if it's bunk it's

1853
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:56,040
gonna be the bong simple as that it's

1854
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,880
nothing wrong

1855
01:24:01,399 --> 01:23:58,739
that's what investigative research is

1856
01:24:04,010 --> 01:24:01,409
about and but I'm not gonna pump people

1857
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:04,020
up and say you know no this was great

1858
01:24:08,410 --> 01:24:05,940
because it no it really wasn't but there

1859
01:24:10,669 --> 01:24:08,420
were some other ones that that need more

1860
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:10,679
investigating because they may be more

1861
01:24:17,629 --> 01:24:14,040
promising sadly enough

1862
01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:17,639
right right the one thing that these

1863
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:21,480
cryptids along with UFOs all have in

1864
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:23,489
common is they're elusive you know I

1865
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:26,639
mean that's the number one thing when it

1866
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,980
comes to trying to understand what

1867
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:31,199
people are seeing is they're elusive

1868
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:35,159
it's not something repeatable you know

1869
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:38,489
you can't grab it catch it find evidence

1870
01:24:45,260 --> 01:24:43,320
of it bones you know a place where it

1871
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,270
lives any of that then you know whatever

1872
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:48,719
it would be no I think the human

1873
01:24:54,109 --> 01:24:52,050
narrative is important of a witness but

1874
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:54,119
if you don't have a person to stand

1875
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,080
witness just to even question to even at

1876
01:25:01,580 --> 01:24:59,940
least give their identity and shake your

1877
01:25:03,919 --> 01:25:01,590
hand or look in the eye and tell their

1878
01:25:07,340 --> 01:25:03,929
story how far can you go with it and

1879
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,350
this is the problem with the cyber the

1880
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:10,080
cyber reality the cyber potential of

1881
01:25:16,250 --> 01:25:13,290
cyber hoaxing and cyber flaps and

1882
01:25:18,919 --> 01:25:16,260
interfering with genuinely good quality

1883
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:18,929
reports from seriously honest people

1884
01:25:23,149 --> 01:25:20,580
that don't want to screw around but tell

1885
01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:23,159
you their honest truth you know what

1886
01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:27,239
they saw as they saw it and because it's

1887
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:30,060
inexplicable doesn't mean it didn't

1888
01:25:33,649 --> 01:25:30,630
happen

1889
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:33,659
and and we have to give some some degree

1890
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:36,239
of credence to something at least being

1891
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:38,520
honest when they want to bring that

1892
01:25:48,530 --> 01:25:43,440
forward I think right you know you going

1893
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:48,540
back to Mothman how would someone

1894
01:25:53,149 --> 01:25:51,360
separate that from you hear about people

1895
01:25:57,020 --> 01:25:53,159
talking about or I think I heard you

1896
01:25:58,129 --> 01:25:57,030
talk about it pterodactyl like creatures

1897
01:26:03,609 --> 01:25:58,139
people have talked about

1898
01:26:06,259 --> 01:26:03,619
Thunderbird you know sightings a lot of

1899
01:26:08,569 --> 01:26:06,269
and you mentioned earlier when that bird

1900
01:26:11,899 --> 01:26:08,579
picked someone up supposedly with

1901
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:11,909
witnesses don't you find this is all

1902
01:26:18,109 --> 01:26:16,110
like I know you know something is

1903
01:26:20,389 --> 01:26:18,119
happening but don't you just think it's

1904
01:26:26,540 --> 01:26:20,399
kind of weird that we can't find

1905
01:26:28,339 --> 01:26:26,550
anything yes yeah I think it's weird I

1906
01:26:31,580 --> 01:26:28,349
think it's very weird there has to be

1907
01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:31,590
some sort of evidence be something well

1908
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,510
especially physical evidence in that

1909
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:35,760
case there was there was physical

1910
01:26:40,459 --> 01:26:37,260
evidence and there were multiple

1911
01:26:44,290 --> 01:26:40,469
witnesses then the other thing it was

1912
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,300
there was a sighting not far from there

1913
01:26:49,819 --> 01:26:46,800
soon thereafter so there was multiple

1914
01:26:53,299 --> 01:26:49,829
sightings of their very same large birds

1915
01:26:55,279 --> 01:26:53,309
very same cryptids so the thing is that

1916
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:55,289
reinforces it and they did come forward

1917
01:26:59,239 --> 01:26:57,570
was even the newspaper the witnesses

1918
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:59,249
came forward were able to talk to them

1919
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,320
the problem here is they're coming

1920
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:03,840
forward were not be able to or not

1921
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:08,249
coming forward or just not even

1922
01:27:13,069 --> 01:27:10,050
anonymous Terr their mysteries they're

1923
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:13,079
ghosts that isn't a witness so they did

1924
01:27:17,979 --> 01:27:15,209
come forward do you have some evidence

1925
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:17,989
but do we have anything beyond that no

1926
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:21,570
hmm now I sure would like that you know

1927
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:24,510
yeah we all would Bobby wants to know

1928
01:27:30,770 --> 01:27:28,649
did you have a connection with were

1929
01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:30,780
there a connection with any police

1930
01:27:37,609 --> 01:27:32,820
involved in any of these Mothman

1931
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:37,619
sightings yes there was supposedly a the

1932
01:27:43,580 --> 01:27:40,169
Ashbourne gresham district there was

1933
01:27:45,589 --> 01:27:43,590
supposedly two police officers that were

1934
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:45,599
out there and they seen something that

1935
01:27:49,159 --> 01:27:47,489
appeared to be somebody jumping off of a

1936
01:27:52,129 --> 01:27:49,169
building and it didn't jump off it flew

1937
01:27:56,799 --> 01:27:52,139
away and they filed a report the report

1938
01:27:59,659 --> 01:27:56,809
was not accessible by multiple people my

1939
01:28:02,089 --> 01:27:59,669
my person that went there was from the

1940
01:28:06,409 --> 01:28:02,099
district originally spent many years

1941
01:28:09,799 --> 01:28:06,419
there and there is nothing there they

1942
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:09,809
couldn't find any report so if there's a

1943
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:11,310
report

1944
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:14,910
we don't know where it is and nobody at

1945
01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:17,370
the station had clue what they're even

1946
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:20,790
talking about so what do you do so you

1947
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:24,110
think that was a false story well I'm

1948
01:28:29,900 --> 01:28:27,450
talking to police officers that actually

1949
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:29,910
read the report it didn't read right as

1950
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,640
something as even being submitted by a

1951
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:35,520
police officer so that it is

1952
01:28:42,350 --> 01:28:40,620
questionable now that's a shame because

1953
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:42,360
then somebody is pretending to be a

1954
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:45,960
police officer but it seems like a lot

1955
01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:48,930
of these reports are coming in and it's

1956
01:28:55,370 --> 01:28:51,390
like okay today creative writing class

1957
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:55,380
and you're gonna be a housewife with be

1958
01:29:01,490 --> 01:28:58,290
a soccer mom with three kids or you're

1959
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:01,500
gonna be a this or that you're gonna be

1960
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:04,620
a police officer or you're gonna be you

1961
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:08,760
know change hats or whatever I don't

1962
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:12,210
know I would say this is the problem

1963
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:13,890
that we're dealing with and it's hard to

1964
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:18,540
tell what the heck is going on it's

1965
01:29:25,580 --> 01:29:22,680
frustrating as all hell yeah yeah this

1966
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:25,590
someone posted that there was a someone

1967
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:27,690
reported a flying man down in Ocala

1968
01:29:32,900 --> 01:29:30,960
Flordia yes all out what can you do that

1969
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:32,910
came in I think last week uh-huh

1970
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:35,370
so do you follow because you were

1971
01:29:40,820 --> 01:29:37,380
looking into this are you following what

1972
01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:40,830
other similar sightings are around the

1973
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:43,740
country I look at them but you know I'd

1974
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:45,270
also like to see if they have any

1975
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:47,370
photographs they have any evidence

1976
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:49,290
how many supportive witnesses came

1977
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,020
forward you know information like that

1978
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:53,760
is it just another creative relative

1979
01:29:59,320 --> 01:29:56,130
creative narrative in another state or

1980
01:30:01,700 --> 01:29:59,330
another county another city I don't know

1981
01:30:03,860 --> 01:30:01,710
because we get that going on too

1982
01:30:06,740 --> 01:30:03,870
once there is a flap once there's a

1983
01:30:09,170 --> 01:30:06,750
sighting a mass sighting or something

1984
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:09,180
along line of a flap it just builds on

1985
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:12,510
itself it just it it had takes on a life

1986
01:30:19,070 --> 01:30:14,850
of its own so that's another problem you

1987
01:30:23,170 --> 01:30:19,080
have to sort out I haven't heard of any

1988
01:30:25,190 --> 01:30:23,180
other new sighting since October 27th I

1989
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:25,200
haven't heard anything

1990
01:30:30,890 --> 01:30:28,860
except for the one down in Florida now

1991
01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:30,900
it could be the time of the year that

1992
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:33,510
you know Mothman does go south I don't

1993
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:37,890
know that bags snow birding it no birdie

1994
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:40,170
it what do you think I'm crazy I'm out

1995
01:30:42,230 --> 01:30:40,650
of here

1996
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:42,240
they're already salt in the streets

1997
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:47,970
tonight so or God yeah yeah well I think

1998
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:52,130
I think we can move on to other subjects

1999
01:30:56,900 --> 01:30:54,630
okay and I want to thank you so much for

2000
01:31:00,620 --> 01:30:56,910
for looking into this I think it's

2001
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,630
fascinating and I'm sure you and I as we

2002
01:31:04,970 --> 01:31:03,120
always do we'll stay in touch and we'll

2003
01:31:08,420 --> 01:31:04,980
hear what you know progresses if more

2004
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,430
happens sure yeah so I want to ask you

2005
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:10,920
have you been working on have you put

2006
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:13,080
everything else aside or have you looked

2007
01:31:18,590 --> 01:31:16,530
into any other UFO cases going on well

2008
01:31:20,690 --> 01:31:18,600
we're going to be reopening doing more

2009
01:31:26,780 --> 01:31:20,700
work on the Tinley Park case because we

2010
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:26,790
did find that footage from 2000 the

2011
01:31:31,580 --> 01:31:28,710
person who shot it was Nancy carpenter

2012
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:31,590
she shot some footage down on Southern

2013
01:31:36,260 --> 01:31:32,760
and Southern Illinois I think it was

2014
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:36,270
January the 4th was before the big

2015
01:31:42,130 --> 01:31:38,610
sighting down with the police officers

2016
01:31:47,330 --> 01:31:42,140
and mill stat Highland mill stat do pó

2017
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:47,340
that footage there is multiple points of

2018
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:51,210
light and the one seems to arc all the

2019
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:54,510
way around the other and the one in the

2020
01:32:01,820 --> 01:31:56,970
and the very center has this little line

2021
01:32:03,530 --> 01:32:01,830
of light shining pointing at it and I

2022
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:03,540
personally feel it's the edge of an

2023
01:32:10,910 --> 01:32:06,210
object and it swoops all the way down

2024
01:32:13,130 --> 01:32:10,920
and we did it cross comparison to the

2025
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:13,140
chimbley Park scenario did the same

2026
01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:18,480
thing in 2004 so we may be dealing with

2027
01:32:24,620 --> 01:32:21,720
exactly the same type of craft and or

2028
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:24,630
something a similar type of object or

2029
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:27,960
craft doing the same maneuverability but

2030
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:30,080
it just shows that it's it's not falling

2031
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:32,880
it's arcing it's something attached in

2032
01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:35,520
time-space and it's moving so that just

2033
01:32:42,420 --> 01:32:38,920
adds a little more intrigue to the 2k

2034
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:42,430
and the possibility that what was down

2035
01:32:49,530 --> 01:32:45,490
there and those police officers were

2036
01:32:51,990 --> 01:32:49,540
fouling around for hope for hours

2037
01:32:54,690 --> 01:32:52,000
actually because went into Missouri and

2038
01:32:57,660 --> 01:32:54,700
police officers directly underneath it

2039
01:32:59,100 --> 01:32:57,670
and they were seeing this massive one of

2040
01:33:03,660 --> 01:32:59,110
the mass of objects we knew there was

2041
01:33:06,420 --> 01:33:03,670
three a rectangular object a triangular

2042
01:33:09,180 --> 01:33:06,430
object with a concave and then one more

2043
01:33:14,850 --> 01:33:09,190
of a one more larger isosceles type

2044
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,860
object and in Tinley Park on the October

2045
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:16,960
thirty-first sighting we had multiple

2046
01:33:22,740 --> 01:33:20,170
objects we had the orange orbs we had a

2047
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:22,750
horseshoe shaped object with a boom on

2048
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:25,870
the top and then we had the large

2049
01:33:30,900 --> 01:33:28,210
isosceles so we had three different

2050
01:33:33,630 --> 01:33:30,910
types on October 31st

2051
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:33,640
now it's hard you know it's like when

2052
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:35,650
you're dealing with cases like this with

2053
01:33:39,780 --> 01:33:37,750
footage than people I want to talk to

2054
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:39,790
you and then to go into something we

2055
01:33:44,220 --> 01:33:42,010
just get narratives it's it's hard to

2056
01:33:45,980 --> 01:33:44,230
explain to people can you see the

2057
01:33:49,230 --> 01:33:45,990
difference here and the quality of of

2058
01:33:54,450 --> 01:33:49,240
case study you know what you're dealing

2059
01:33:56,460 --> 01:33:54,460
with and now with that footage possibly

2060
01:33:58,890 --> 01:33:56,470
I'm possibly going to have it back in my

2061
01:34:02,010 --> 01:33:58,900
hands again to do further analysis and

2062
01:34:04,050 --> 01:34:02,020
if we do this it's going to be one heck

2063
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:04,060
of a nice piece it's going to be a

2064
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:06,010
little nice documentary at least a good

2065
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:09,010
episode for something so it's in the

2066
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:09,520
works

2067
01:34:14,820 --> 01:34:12,490
we're going to have that how many can

2068
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:14,830
you remind me how many people were

2069
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:19,440
actually came forward and witnessed that

2070
01:34:26,460 --> 01:34:23,890
let's say 200 200 200 yeah over 200 I

2071
01:34:28,860 --> 01:34:26,470
love mass sightings yes man Sonny's are

2072
01:34:31,950 --> 01:34:28,870
the best right yeah and you know

2073
01:34:33,870 --> 01:34:31,960
remember the Carteret sighting where was

2074
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:33,880
that at New Jersey Curtin at New Jersey

2075
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:39,300
was 2001 and territory at New Jersey is

2076
01:34:46,350 --> 01:34:43,840
well-documented radar data a very good

2077
01:34:48,660 --> 01:34:46,360
case and that one's kind of like fallen

2078
01:34:51,090 --> 01:34:48,670
by the wayside but I'd love to work on

2079
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:51,100
all these to collectively because I

2080
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,810
think mass sightings

2081
01:34:57,420 --> 01:34:54,480
the ones that are going to dictate

2082
01:35:00,060 --> 01:34:57,430
disclosure at least to the people with

2083
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:00,070
with anything resembling a brain to

2084
01:35:05,490 --> 01:35:02,890
realize that that we do have something

2085
01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:05,500
here and they may say well isn't it

2086
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:08,260
about time somebody says something okay

2087
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:11,650
you know that'll take us somewhere mass

2088
01:35:18,930 --> 01:35:15,010
sightings not the the you know

2089
01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:18,940
mysterious narratives yeah I've heard I

2090
01:35:23,850 --> 01:35:21,640
had a conversation with someone about a

2091
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:23,860
mass sighting they said well there are

2092
01:35:28,770 --> 01:35:25,150
mass illusions

2093
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:28,780
you know mass hallucinations well okay

2094
01:35:34,230 --> 01:35:32,410
well here we are in 2017 and it's a

2095
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:34,240
honey year anniversary again we talked

2096
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:36,850
about this before but I like it I like

2097
01:35:42,570 --> 01:35:39,850
the topic yeah Fatima family what a

2098
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:42,580
great mass sighting and what is it a

2099
01:35:45,870 --> 01:35:44,050
mass sighting sure I don't care what

2100
01:35:48,210 --> 01:35:45,880
your religious beliefs are call it

2101
01:35:50,250 --> 01:35:48,220
whatever you want but it happened and

2102
01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:50,260
there was physical trace evidence they

2103
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:52,540
can't deny it and what do we think there

2104
01:35:58,350 --> 01:35:55,270
was some 30,000 people out there come on

2105
01:36:00,990 --> 01:35:58,360
that was a good one right that's right

2106
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:01,000
and let me ask it because uh since we

2107
01:36:06,750 --> 01:36:03,610
talked about this last time I was

2108
01:36:10,050 --> 01:36:06,760
reading about it and it seems to me that

2109
01:36:15,270 --> 01:36:10,060
the religious aspect may have been added

2110
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:15,280
after yes it was added afterwards and I

2111
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:17,530
think it was it's both religious and

2112
01:36:24,810 --> 01:36:21,420
political understanding the state of the

2113
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:24,820
of the politics and the church was was

2114
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:27,730
being bashed something severe out there

2115
01:36:32,970 --> 01:36:30,610
and there was a lot of turmoil well this

2116
01:36:36,630 --> 01:36:32,980
is Wesley during the world war 1 right

2117
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:36,640
oh yeah that's mighty no 17 right was

2118
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:39,250
1917 so I mean just think of the world

2119
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:42,970
oh but you know the climate of the world

2120
01:36:49,020 --> 01:36:45,370
in fact all these it's interesting to

2121
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,030
see what's going on in the world for

2122
01:36:54,750 --> 01:36:51,600
many perspectives the social perspective

2123
01:36:56,580 --> 01:36:54,760
historical everything to look at what's

2124
01:36:58,770 --> 01:36:56,590
gone the environment and see if there's

2125
01:37:01,770 --> 01:36:58,780
causality or whatever is it just

2126
01:37:04,290 --> 01:37:01,780
whatever but there's war going on and

2127
01:37:06,689 --> 01:37:04,300
then this happens it takes place and

2128
01:37:10,410 --> 01:37:06,699
there's social strife

2129
01:37:12,779 --> 01:37:10,420
in Portugal horrible issues union

2130
01:37:14,580 --> 01:37:12,789
Fighting's and internal strife and and

2131
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:14,590
then there is there and then there's

2132
01:37:18,839 --> 01:37:17,050
issues within the families and the

2133
01:37:21,569 --> 01:37:18,849
feminine the women were treated

2134
01:37:23,759 --> 01:37:21,579
something horrible so there was Turner

2135
01:37:27,330 --> 01:37:23,769
was a feminine movement and the church

2136
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:27,340
was being really getting pushed around

2137
01:37:32,549 --> 01:37:29,679
because they were more of a fascist

2138
01:37:34,169 --> 01:37:32,559
element and overly conservative element

2139
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:34,179
and they were trying to move them out of

2140
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,630
the the social environment so I mean

2141
01:37:42,839 --> 01:37:39,760
there was a lot of upheaval going on and

2142
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:42,849
here they have this this massive

2143
01:37:49,259 --> 01:37:45,190
sighting of something truly anomalous

2144
01:37:49,799 --> 01:37:49,269
and they embraced faith and they did so

2145
01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:49,809
willingly

2146
01:37:54,750 --> 01:37:52,150
I just think of many of the people that

2147
01:37:56,549 --> 01:37:54,760
came out there they were out there just

2148
01:38:00,120 --> 01:37:56,559
to see him how foolish these people were

2149
01:38:03,779 --> 01:38:00,130
and here they experienced crazy event

2150
01:38:05,729 --> 01:38:03,789
and and people standing in certain

2151
01:38:09,029 --> 01:38:05,739
locations experience different things

2152
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,039
and as far as within the proximity of of

2153
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:11,199
the object that flew over and it was an

2154
01:38:15,870 --> 01:38:13,209
object some people said they'd seen

2155
01:38:18,899 --> 01:38:15,880
something inside some people had

2156
01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:18,909
healings there was heat being felt no

2157
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:22,030
doubt they were dried after being wet so

2158
01:38:24,029 --> 01:38:23,199
I mean a bunch of weird things

2159
01:38:27,449 --> 01:38:24,039
transpired

2160
01:38:29,819 --> 01:38:27,459
now whatever they want wasn't there a

2161
01:38:33,330 --> 01:38:29,829
claim that the Sun was falling or

2162
01:38:35,759 --> 01:38:33,340
something the disc and it was a desk and

2163
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:35,769
they caught it they said yeah what's the

2164
01:38:40,850 --> 01:38:38,650
Sun it wasn't the Sun it was a disc was

2165
01:38:43,919 --> 01:38:40,860
he was what's an unidentified object

2166
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:43,929
coming down and they were able to look

2167
01:38:49,709 --> 01:38:46,329
into this and they're able to see three

2168
01:38:52,949 --> 01:38:49,719
individuals some people of faith were

2169
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,959
saying yes we saw we saw we saw Jesus

2170
01:38:56,969 --> 01:38:55,360
and Mary and Joseph

2171
01:38:59,040 --> 01:38:56,979
now I don't know if they had their ID

2172
01:39:01,709 --> 01:38:59,050
cards with them they're in littell I

2173
01:39:03,209 --> 01:39:01,719
think cracks me up I'm like okay you

2174
01:39:08,959 --> 01:39:03,219
know what they look like I don't know

2175
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:08,969
but I was he did he have a toupee I

2176
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:13,090
don't know this is so funny I but that's

2177
01:39:19,649 --> 01:39:17,050
what they said and what either way the

2178
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:19,659
events took place and you know they spun

2179
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:20,570
it the way they want

2180
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:22,880
- is it any different than what's going

2181
01:39:26,830 --> 01:39:25,010
on today with these apparent sightings

2182
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:26,840
people are spinning and any which way

2183
01:39:34,540 --> 01:39:31,310
they want to also I think you know they

2184
01:39:36,910 --> 01:39:34,550
sold a lot of newspapers so there's an

2185
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:36,920
element there they may have used it to

2186
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:39,610
just discount the Tinley Park sighting

2187
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:41,570
they may you know you see what I'm

2188
01:39:47,380 --> 01:39:44,810
saying there's always something when

2189
01:39:49,450 --> 01:39:47,390
there's when there's interest of people

2190
01:39:51,370 --> 01:39:49,460
there's something gravitating the

2191
01:39:54,910 --> 01:39:51,380
interest of people spin it the way you

2192
01:39:57,610 --> 01:39:54,920
want it and that's the pros are doing it

2193
01:40:00,820 --> 01:39:57,620
I can see it now and they did it back

2194
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:00,830
then they wanted to have salvation for

2195
01:40:05,260 --> 01:40:02,930
you know keep the church in Portugal I

2196
01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:05,270
think they did a good job it is the

2197
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:06,550
number I think the number one

2198
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:09,440
destination point in Portugal I think it

2199
01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:13,810
still is so it does get people there and

2200
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:16,910
you know what was the year what do you

2201
01:40:20,860 --> 01:40:19,010
remember the year I can't recall the

2202
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:20,870
year where they actually divulged the

2203
01:40:25,180 --> 01:40:22,610
information and we had it available for

2204
01:40:30,460 --> 01:40:25,190
people to examine where all this came in

2205
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:30,470
I think was this their 70s or 80s but it

2206
01:40:34,900 --> 01:40:32,210
actually came about because they had a

2207
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:34,910
freedom of information in Portugal and

2208
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:38,690
the church had abide by it and and the

2209
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:42,110
clerk she actually in the church there

2210
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:43,970
many of them didn't even know that this

2211
01:40:48,130 --> 01:40:46,130
information was still there or even read

2212
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:48,140
it that even though they weren't even

2213
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:51,500
they were so well and you know they're

2214
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:53,090
already indoctrinated they didn't even

2215
01:40:56,770 --> 01:40:55,370
need to read it and that's how it is no

2216
01:41:00,040 --> 01:40:56,780
different today people are so

2217
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:00,050
indoctrinated on whatever they hear or

2218
01:41:05,260 --> 01:41:02,570
want to believe and it's matza believe

2219
01:41:07,780 --> 01:41:05,270
that they won't even pursue any research

2220
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:07,790
or reading that's that but it's the way

2221
01:41:14,350 --> 01:41:11,210
it is have has there ever been other

2222
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:14,360
sightings there after that period or

2223
01:41:18,730 --> 01:41:17,090
hand but before and afterwards yeah that

2224
01:41:20,890 --> 01:41:18,740
was part the part of the culture the

2225
01:41:26,530 --> 01:41:20,900
little woman the little lady was seen

2226
01:41:28,690 --> 01:41:26,540
before by people in the area and so the

2227
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:28,700
the funny thing is we have a woman from

2228
01:41:34,359 --> 01:41:32,810
Portugal in our group and she knows the

2229
01:41:35,529 --> 01:41:34,369
whole story very well

2230
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:35,539
she was to one it got me interested

2231
01:41:43,629 --> 01:41:40,070
reading more about it the so there is a

2232
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:43,639
there is a legend and a myth about this

2233
01:41:50,350 --> 01:41:48,050
thing being seen before and it was well

2234
01:41:55,959 --> 01:41:50,360
known that these little people in fact

2235
01:41:59,589 --> 01:41:55,969
the area is is named relative to the

2236
01:42:02,589 --> 01:41:59,599
phenomena prior to this so there is a

2237
01:42:05,799 --> 01:42:02,599
history of it so it's nothing it wasn't

2238
01:42:07,929 --> 01:42:05,809
nothing new in 1917 at least were the

2239
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:07,939
people living there now what about now

2240
01:42:13,179 --> 01:42:10,249
has anything happened in recent history

2241
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:13,189
I don't think there has ever been

2242
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:18,530
anything that dramatic as far as a mass

2243
01:42:26,889 --> 01:42:23,090
sighting as far as anything on that

2244
01:42:28,929 --> 01:42:26,899
large I mean we've had all sorts of

2245
01:42:31,299 --> 01:42:28,939
other sightings but nothing so

2246
01:42:33,759 --> 01:42:31,309
convincing I mean he had physical trace

2247
01:42:36,279 --> 01:42:33,769
evidence you had 30 to 60 thousand

2248
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:36,289
people and not just one time it was

2249
01:42:43,919 --> 01:42:40,570
multiple sightings of at least

2250
01:42:46,509 --> 01:42:43,929
individuals or groups of individuals

2251
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:46,519
multiple witnesses and then the mass

2252
01:42:51,060 --> 01:42:48,530
sightings so tell me did they these

2253
01:42:53,589 --> 01:42:51,070
thirty to sixty thousand people which I

2254
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:53,599
I'm going to try to pull up a picture of

2255
01:43:03,159 --> 01:42:57,610
that coming up here in a minute and

2256
01:43:04,750 --> 01:43:03,169
those people that were there did they

2257
01:43:06,729 --> 01:43:04,760
just come from all over the world and

2258
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:06,739
they just sit there and just wait and

2259
01:43:12,399 --> 01:43:09,530
yeah it happens they were waiting and

2260
01:43:14,979 --> 01:43:12,409
many of them because here you are you go

2261
01:43:16,899 --> 01:43:14,989
in there and it's and it was a a rainy

2262
01:43:20,259 --> 01:43:16,909
day they're sitting out in the rain on

2263
01:43:22,929 --> 01:43:20,269
the one day in particular many of them

2264
01:43:24,369 --> 01:43:22,939
were just to make fun of them because

2265
01:43:28,060 --> 01:43:24,379
they didn't think anything was going to

2266
01:43:32,469 --> 01:43:28,070
happen it was raining they were covered

2267
01:43:33,819 --> 01:43:32,479
in mud very uncomfortable and living in

2268
01:43:37,869 --> 01:43:33,829
an environment you know that we have

2269
01:43:40,270 --> 01:43:37,879
social strife going on Union strikes and

2270
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,280
you've got you know be dragged into war

2271
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:43,070
pretty soon they knew it on and on and

2272
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:45,169
on there was all sorts of stuff so here

2273
01:43:48,219 --> 01:43:46,639
they're out there standing in the rain

2274
01:43:52,569 --> 01:43:48,229
and

2275
01:43:54,969 --> 01:43:52,579
doggone if it didn't happen some of

2276
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:54,979
those folks other folks are there to

2277
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:56,800
laugh at them and I think they got a

2278
01:44:07,029 --> 01:44:00,800
welcome surprise and what was the span

2279
01:44:09,339 --> 01:44:07,039
of time that this happened I mean as far

2280
01:44:12,129 --> 01:44:09,349
as since it started and then I'm going

2281
01:44:14,259 --> 01:44:12,139
it was it was a long it was months

2282
01:44:16,180 --> 01:44:14,269
months yes it was months and it was

2283
01:44:20,109 --> 01:44:16,190
pretty much on a certain day and I

2284
01:44:24,330 --> 01:44:20,119
forget what it was but then it's then it

2285
01:44:27,009 --> 01:44:24,340
stopped and then of course there were

2286
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:27,019
the little boy and girl they said I

2287
01:44:32,739 --> 01:44:28,729
guess they knew they were gonna die soon

2288
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:32,749
they did and then Lucia she was put into

2289
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:34,489
a cloistered order and could not talk

2290
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:39,679
about this how convenient and I mused

2291
01:44:43,180 --> 01:44:41,119
somebody that actually went to seeing

2292
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:43,190
her because they were a relative that

2293
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:47,570
was in 2003 but she died a couple of

2294
01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:50,719
years ago wasn't all that far back maybe

2295
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:54,369
three years ago something like that and

2296
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,110
but you know the thing was she was not

2297
01:45:07,899 --> 01:44:59,119
to talk about this and when there were

2298
01:45:11,049 --> 01:45:07,909
dead serious about it and boy amazing so

2299
01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:11,059
but I just putting a picture for people

2300
01:45:15,699 --> 01:45:13,249
watching YouTube I'm putting up a

2301
01:45:17,589 --> 01:45:15,709
picture now where people are like

2302
01:45:21,569 --> 01:45:17,599
kneeling and praying and looking up so

2303
01:45:26,830 --> 01:45:21,579
there was a religious tone to this

2304
01:45:29,319 --> 01:45:26,840
during that time and not after yes well

2305
01:45:32,379 --> 01:45:29,329
are they yes they had they felt there

2306
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:32,389
was some sort of religious the the the

2307
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:34,489
children felt there was something

2308
01:45:41,259 --> 01:45:38,510
religious tied into it at least one of

2309
01:45:43,390 --> 01:45:41,269
them did the other thing is the

2310
01:45:45,250 --> 01:45:43,400
religious element is huge when it comes

2311
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:45,260
to ufology and the Phenom all these

2312
01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:49,760
phenomena sin general but in ufology I

2313
01:45:58,179 --> 01:45:53,300
just think of one account a friend of

2314
01:46:01,950 --> 01:45:58,189
mine who's passed on recently told me

2315
01:46:04,530 --> 01:46:01,960
about a front of hers who was a farmer

2316
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:04,540
and UFO came down and she went out and

2317
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:07,840
kneeled and prayed to it so I mean

2318
01:46:11,670 --> 01:46:10,030
people do things like this because they

2319
01:46:13,950 --> 01:46:11,680
know how to react and the first thing we

2320
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:13,960
react to is some sort of they see

2321
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:16,020
something that's outside of the realm

2322
01:46:21,810 --> 01:46:20,320
what they could relate to so you better

2323
01:46:24,990 --> 01:46:21,820
pray to the darn thing because it made

2324
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:25,000
us eat you who knows I don't fit sphere

2325
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:28,960
or if it's something but it's not

2326
01:46:35,490 --> 01:46:32,560
uncommon tell you that much yeah the

2327
01:46:39,660 --> 01:46:35,500
religious element comes in huge and

2328
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:39,670
today that is another factor in a part

2329
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:41,530
of what I have to deal with when you're

2330
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,650
out there talking to people about the

2331
01:46:51,180 --> 01:46:46,719
subject matter is that there is such a

2332
01:46:54,630 --> 01:46:51,190
strong disdain from certain religious

2333
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:54,640
elements about the subject matter to

2334
01:46:59,459 --> 01:46:57,010
even talk about it and if you do talk

2335
01:47:02,270 --> 01:46:59,469
about it has to be basically ushered

2336
01:47:06,060 --> 01:47:02,280
into two categories good or bad and

2337
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:06,070
demonic or angelic verses I don't know

2338
01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:08,170
what it is but I'd sure like to I'm just

2339
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:13,540
investigating it and that I find real

2340
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:20,650
interesting - mm-hmm so what did they as

2341
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:23,530
time went on as far as you know what did

2342
01:47:28,260 --> 01:47:26,410
they come up with with what was

2343
01:47:30,060 --> 01:47:28,270
happening you know I mean there must

2344
01:47:32,130 --> 01:47:30,070
have with all these people getting

2345
01:47:36,540 --> 01:47:32,140
involved you know there must have been

2346
01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:36,550
such attention that say Puerto Rico the

2347
01:47:41,010 --> 01:47:38,680
port I mean the Portugal government

2348
01:47:43,740 --> 01:47:41,020
itself must have got involved in and

2349
01:47:45,690 --> 01:47:43,750
what was happening they did they got

2350
01:47:47,490 --> 01:47:45,700
involved and they were very concerned

2351
01:47:49,050 --> 01:47:47,500
about this because it was getting a lot

2352
01:47:51,959 --> 01:47:49,060
of publicity and they know which way it

2353
01:47:54,990 --> 01:47:51,969
was gonna go I think they sat down and

2354
01:47:58,830 --> 01:47:55,000
they said you know well let's make a

2355
01:48:02,180 --> 01:47:58,840
decision on this and try to quell it try

2356
01:48:06,380 --> 01:48:02,190
to keep it quiet and that's I think

2357
01:48:09,630 --> 01:48:06,390
where the Kois your order and having her

2358
01:48:12,030 --> 01:48:09,640
started off to a choice turd order you

2359
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:12,040
know what they had to do something had

2360
01:48:18,430 --> 01:48:15,890
to take place to control too many people

2361
01:48:20,740 --> 01:48:18,440
too many fears this was a very real

2362
01:48:23,530 --> 01:48:20,750
event you can't say the 30,000 people

2363
01:48:26,890 --> 01:48:23,540
are all crazy something happened you

2364
01:48:28,900 --> 01:48:26,900
know better give it an identity that we

2365
01:48:32,260 --> 01:48:28,910
could all have some degree of control

2366
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:32,270
over or at least have some element of of

2367
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:35,450
comfort instead of fear and I and I

2368
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:37,850
think you know in mass sightings the

2369
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:39,290
first thing you don't want to do is

2370
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:41,810
instill fear you don't want to do that

2371
01:48:45,850 --> 01:48:44,210
I know at least you know and out here

2372
01:48:49,060 --> 01:48:45,860
Tinley Park the police department

2373
01:48:51,010 --> 01:48:49,070
fantastic police department and you know

2374
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,020
the thing is they were getting calls

2375
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:53,360
like you wouldn't believe

2376
01:48:57,490 --> 01:48:55,730
hundreds and hundreds of calls or there

2377
01:48:59,920 --> 01:48:57,500
was and people were stopping in the

2378
01:49:02,080 --> 01:48:59,930
street going out looking and this

2379
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:02,090
happens and so you have disorder and

2380
01:49:08,440 --> 01:49:05,710
you're trying to keep order and you have

2381
01:49:11,170 --> 01:49:08,450
the kooky stuff that does go on that it

2382
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:11,180
really does need to have your attention

2383
01:49:17,380 --> 01:49:14,510
still go on meanwhile they got this so I

2384
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:17,390
don't think it's a blessing to say you

2385
01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:19,040
know that in these mass sightings take

2386
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:22,520
place what happens to the social order

2387
01:49:28,990 --> 01:49:25,250
it gets pretty screwed up pretty darn

2388
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:29,000
quick so you have to put a kibosh on

2389
01:49:35,260 --> 01:49:31,610
some of the fear and leave some degree

2390
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:35,270
of control and I can understand it yeah

2391
01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:38,570
how how did this end it was there any

2392
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:40,670
type of an event that made this thing

2393
01:49:46,860 --> 01:49:44,690
stopped that made it stop I mean that

2394
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:46,870
you know was there any type of event

2395
01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:50,000
tied to its stopping I guess that's the

2396
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,320
question or did it just just fade out

2397
01:50:00,220 --> 01:49:56,960
well the last sighting as I recall I

2398
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:00,230
don't recall anything beyond that you

2399
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:04,610
know the last event the three the three

2400
01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:09,770
kids were taken and the one was put into

2401
01:50:13,630 --> 01:50:11,420
a cloistered order the two other died

2402
01:50:14,730 --> 01:50:13,640
from I believe they died from the flu

2403
01:50:18,220 --> 01:50:14,740
[Music]

2404
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:18,230
there wasn't you know basically the

2405
01:50:22,710 --> 01:50:18,770
church

2406
01:50:26,830 --> 01:50:22,720
and put it into the fold of a religious

2407
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:26,840
apparition and they had built the a

2408
01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:29,330
monument there that shrine

2409
01:50:36,490 --> 01:50:32,180
and basically incorporated into

2410
01:50:39,250 --> 01:50:36,500
religious doctrine so that's what it is

2411
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:39,260
it's it's another religious event and

2412
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:41,030
that's how it's been

2413
01:50:47,230 --> 01:50:44,570
now do Portugal do people go there today

2414
01:50:52,060 --> 01:50:47,240
expecting to get healed is it one of the

2415
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:52,070
places that people go yes yes that you

2416
01:50:55,390 --> 01:50:53,930
know the funny thing is the the mind

2417
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:55,400
could do a lot of things and there may

2418
01:50:59,320 --> 01:50:57,170
be some element there that you know

2419
01:51:02,260 --> 01:50:59,330
another substrate that may allow

2420
01:51:04,420 --> 01:51:02,270
something that's innate to us to spring

2421
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:04,430
forth I recall my father when he was

2422
01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:08,360
dying with leukemia one doctor said that

2423
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:10,640
you see a faith healer and he was dead

2424
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:15,130
serious so I don't discount all this

2425
01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:17,930
other stuff that some people may call

2426
01:51:23,110 --> 01:51:20,450
whoo because there may be something to

2427
01:51:29,410 --> 01:51:23,120
it at a level that we can't understand

2428
01:51:33,730 --> 01:51:29,420
you know who knows but it's it is

2429
01:51:36,670 --> 01:51:33,740
interesting really really yeah so yeah

2430
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:36,680
they don't get much more you wouldn't

2431
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:39,050
call anything much more of a mass

2432
01:51:43,450 --> 01:51:41,450
sighting than you would that yeah thirty

2433
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:43,460
to sixty thousand people yeah that's

2434
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:46,610
that's a big one I know they you know

2435
01:51:53,020 --> 01:51:51,170
the a few other sightings Phoenix was a

2436
01:51:55,450 --> 01:51:53,030
big sighting but I think Tinley was

2437
01:51:57,730 --> 01:51:55,460
pretty darn close as far as the amount

2438
01:52:03,310 --> 01:51:57,740
of people larger population thinker

2439
01:52:05,550 --> 01:52:03,320
pretty close you know the Battle of LA

2440
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:05,560
whether it's a weather balloon or

2441
01:52:10,780 --> 01:52:08,510
whatever you'd think I think one person

2442
01:52:13,390 --> 01:52:10,790
you may want to have on the show is Dave

2443
01:52:16,930 --> 01:52:13,400
marler to talk about his research in the

2444
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:16,940
Battle of LA you saw that break at work

2445
01:52:23,470 --> 01:52:21,290
yeah I've had him on and I have tried

2446
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:23,480
about five times to get him to come on

2447
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:26,570
about that he just keeps the last time

2448
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:27,770
he didn't write me back

2449
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:29,690
but he usually writes me back and just

2450
01:52:37,870 --> 01:52:32,120
says he's just absolutely swamped he's a

2451
01:52:40,450 --> 01:52:37,880
very busy guy yes and hopefully yeah oh

2452
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:40,460
oh maybe we can influence him yeah I'll

2453
01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:41,250
give him a call

2454
01:52:45,310 --> 01:52:43,350
[Laughter]

2455
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:45,320
well this is we're getting we got about

2456
01:52:53,150 --> 01:52:49,520
about six minutes left so is there

2457
01:52:54,650 --> 01:52:53,160
anything else you are going to be

2458
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:54,660
working on I mean this Tenley Park

2459
01:53:00,800 --> 01:52:59,760
sounds like a pretty big deal is there

2460
01:53:05,150 --> 01:53:00,810
anything else you're going to be working

2461
01:53:10,490 --> 01:53:05,160
on right now I'm trying to put together

2462
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:10,500
a very simplified process of doing a

2463
01:53:14,690 --> 01:53:12,840
triage on these cases when they come in

2464
01:53:18,620 --> 01:53:14,700
sometime I'm working on that like

2465
01:53:21,230 --> 01:53:18,630
redoing the Hynek Valley analysis but

2466
01:53:24,020 --> 01:53:21,240
for more of a triage and and and doing

2467
01:53:26,420 --> 01:53:24,030
it in mind of of what we're doing

2468
01:53:28,490 --> 01:53:26,430
dealing with with the cyber reality

2469
01:53:29,810 --> 01:53:28,500
today in other words things are a little

2470
01:53:36,170 --> 01:53:29,820
bit different now and we have to

2471
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:36,180
readjust it going into coming in off the

2472
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:37,980
computer and I think that's going to

2473
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:40,080
help quite a bit I'm going to be working

2474
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:42,690
on again tinleigh got a few other cases

2475
01:53:47,690 --> 01:53:44,610
going to be opening up a very

2476
01:53:53,900 --> 01:53:47,700
interesting case took place and the 70s

2477
01:53:56,930 --> 01:53:53,910
in the the area of the like Fox Lake

2478
01:54:01,280 --> 01:53:56,940
mistake area that way was grass lake

2479
01:54:05,270 --> 01:54:01,290
case a very good case with ongoing

2480
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:05,280
events multiple sightings multiple

2481
01:54:09,980 --> 01:54:07,530
witnesses physical trace evidence and

2482
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:09,990
it's one of these old cases that has a

2483
01:54:14,030 --> 01:54:12,330
lot of information that hasn't been

2484
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,040
looked at a long time and I think it's

2485
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:16,800
definitely worth they going to begin so

2486
01:54:22,700 --> 01:54:19,260
that and I hope to take some adventure

2487
01:54:25,970 --> 01:54:22,710
up north and work my way up the Ice Age

2488
01:54:30,260 --> 01:54:25,980
Trail and look at some of the Nama Lee's

2489
01:54:32,180 --> 01:54:30,270
tons of anomalies up there in Wisconsin

2490
01:54:33,230 --> 01:54:32,190
that's what I've been doing in spring Oh

2491
01:54:35,210 --> 01:54:33,240
excellent

2492
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:35,220
someone wrote earlier they wanted to

2493
01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:38,130
know if you have ever followed any like

2494
01:54:44,990 --> 01:54:41,310
us so sightings in Lake Michigan yes

2495
01:54:48,290 --> 01:54:45,000
I've had a few witnesses talk about USO

2496
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:48,300
sightings one gentleman came to me

2497
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:51,210
because of shin Lee Park sighting and he

2498
01:54:56,060 --> 01:54:53,970
had witnessed multiple large objects

2499
01:54:58,180 --> 01:54:56,070
coming out of Lake Michigan everyone

2500
01:55:02,330 --> 01:54:58,190
so while we get stories about them and

2501
01:55:03,860 --> 01:55:02,340
when you take a peek at the some of the

2502
01:55:07,130 --> 01:55:03,870
sightings from Michigan some of the big

2503
01:55:10,700 --> 01:55:07,140
sightings that took place in the South

2504
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:10,710
Haven area take a peek at some of those

2505
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:13,830
reports where the information or the

2506
01:55:18,170 --> 01:55:15,930
radar data seems to like fall off once

2507
01:55:22,940 --> 01:55:18,180
it went over the Lake Michigan now did

2508
01:55:26,540 --> 01:55:22,950
they go into the lake or not so I think

2509
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:26,550
the maritime research and us owes and

2510
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:29,280
the Great Lakes really needs to be taken

2511
01:55:34,910 --> 01:55:31,760
a peek at there's there is a whole

2512
01:55:35,660 --> 01:55:34,920
volume of information it needs to be

2513
01:55:37,670 --> 01:55:35,670
looked at

2514
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:37,680
not just currently but also historically

2515
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:40,050
so thanks for that question that's a

2516
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,410
good one yeah oh actually isn't the

2517
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:45,360
northern part of Lake Michigan am I

2518
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:49,560
thinking wrong that it borders Canada am

2519
01:55:56,660 --> 01:55:53,130
i think- orders no borders Canada so

2520
01:55:59,450 --> 01:55:56,670
just just devil's advocate if a plane

2521
01:56:02,270 --> 01:55:59,460
came in and it flew low under the radar

2522
01:56:06,470 --> 01:56:02,280
it could go right in to Canada couldn't

2523
01:56:10,460 --> 01:56:06,480
it on Lake Michigan probably I mean yeah

2524
01:56:11,570 --> 01:56:10,470
it was just a thought yeah I mean well

2525
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:11,580
then you're getting picked up by

2526
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:13,530
different radars the closer you get to

2527
01:56:18,020 --> 01:56:16,650
the border you should be getting picked

2528
01:56:20,630 --> 01:56:18,030
up because they're like you know they're

2529
01:56:22,700 --> 01:56:20,640
reversed triangles and the closer you go

2530
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:22,710
in it's gonna be different to be getting

2531
01:56:26,510 --> 01:56:25,290
lower and lower as far as the ceilings

2532
01:56:29,420 --> 01:56:26,520
not going to be there but it's gonna be

2533
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:29,430
lower yeah so yeah each one's different

2534
01:56:34,820 --> 01:56:32,010
and I know we only got we have two

2535
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:34,830
minutes left but I know we have talked a

2536
01:56:37,940 --> 01:56:36,450
number of times about the O'Hare case

2537
01:56:39,710 --> 01:56:37,950
some people are writing in the chat room

2538
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,720
earlier about that sure that's a

2539
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:42,480
fascinating case and I'm just waiting

2540
01:56:46,910 --> 01:56:44,730
for the day when someone retires from

2541
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:46,920
United Airlines and they're gonna open

2542
01:56:53,090 --> 01:56:50,400
their mouth and say what happened well I

2543
01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:53,100
actually had somebody do that it was a

2544
01:56:59,570 --> 01:56:56,850
manager he was underground working that

2545
01:57:02,000 --> 01:56:59,580
day he was inspecting the baggage it was

2546
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:02,010
as he was in charge of inspecting the

2547
01:57:08,890 --> 01:57:04,560
baggage during that and he heard all

2548
01:57:10,450 --> 01:57:08,900
this chatter up on the B concourse

2549
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:10,460
Hertz so I talked to his friend was a

2550
01:57:16,030 --> 01:57:13,010
manager and he was telling him he was

2551
01:57:19,149 --> 01:57:16,040
giving him a live report looking at this

2552
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:19,159
thing directly below the clouds and so

2553
01:57:25,209 --> 01:57:22,400
he says it absolutely was there it was

2554
01:57:30,220 --> 01:57:25,219
an object it was below the clouds it was

2555
01:57:32,590 --> 01:57:30,230
a right above c-17 it was there no doubt

2556
01:57:36,340 --> 01:57:32,600
and he says I don't care what anybody

2557
01:57:38,610 --> 01:57:36,350
says it happened and it was there so now

2558
01:57:42,430 --> 01:57:38,620
that a lot of these people are retiring

2559
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:42,440
they're becoming a little more you know

2560
01:57:47,649 --> 01:57:45,199
bold and and and they're coming out and

2561
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:47,659
talking about it and that's great uh I

2562
01:57:52,930 --> 01:57:50,960
think in time we'll probably get maybe

2563
01:57:53,890 --> 01:57:52,940
even a picture would that be great that

2564
01:57:56,500 --> 01:57:53,900
would be wonderful

2565
01:57:58,060 --> 01:57:56,510
go Sam it's been great as always I

2566
01:58:00,880 --> 01:57:58,070
consider you a friend it's always fun

2567
01:58:03,729 --> 01:58:00,890
talking to you absolutely my friend you

2568
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:03,739
take care all right you too goodbye all

2569
01:58:07,330 --> 01:58:04,370
right bye

2570
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,340
all right everyone so thank you so much

2571
01:58:12,930 --> 01:58:10,159
for listening and again we are staying

2572
01:58:15,370 --> 01:58:12,940
on YouTube now for there's a very small

2573
01:58:18,430 --> 01:58:15,380
amount of people that have an interest

2574
01:58:21,970 --> 01:58:18,440
in my other real job and that's fine art

2575
01:58:24,490 --> 01:58:21,980
Nene and din and antiques and just to

2576
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:24,500
let you know there was a painting that

2577
01:58:29,260 --> 01:58:26,810
sold for a world record price of three

2578
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:29,270
four hundred fifty million dollars of da

2579
01:58:34,570 --> 01:58:31,130
Vinci I'm going to be talking to the

2580
01:58:37,570 --> 01:58:34,580
expert that authenticated that and had

2581
01:58:40,990 --> 01:58:37,580
worked with it right from you know from

2582
01:58:43,689 --> 01:58:41,000
back in 2005 on so he'll be on the show

2583
01:58:47,020 --> 01:58:43,699
live on Saturday morning this coming

2584
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:47,030
Saturday morning at 10 o'clock in the

2585
01:58:50,350 --> 01:58:48,320
morning

2586
01:58:52,630 --> 01:58:50,360
so that's anyone that has any interest

2587
01:58:54,939 --> 01:58:52,640
in fine art and antiques that show will

2588
01:58:56,919 --> 01:58:54,949
be on YouTube as well and I also have a

2589
01:58:58,060 --> 01:58:56,929
podcast the antique auction forum where

2590
01:59:00,459 --> 01:58:58,070
that goes

2591
01:59:02,020 --> 01:59:00,469
that's where that lives so anyway thanks

2592
01:59:05,860 --> 01:59:02,030
so much we'll be back next week with

2593
01:59:08,020 --> 01:59:05,870
Robert Powell and always a great guest

2594
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:08,030
to have on and thanks so much for

2595
01:59:11,890 --> 01:59:10,010
remember to keep your eyes to this guy

2596
01:59:18,670 --> 01:59:11,900
thank you for listening and thank you